[nagdu] working up to obstacles
Stephanie Mitchell
naturelovingmom at gmail.com
Wed May 1 10:51:48 UTC 2013
You could always tell her th hup up to the obstacle and then
trail around it yourself. That's what I do with Gypsy when she
won't go round someth".
Steph
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:07:25 -0500
Subject: Re: [nagdu] working up to obstacles
Hi all,
It depends with Brie. If there is a branch blocking the
sidewalk, she
will take me up to it maybe about a foot or two away and then
expect
me to decide where to go. If I make a decision that Brie doesn't
like, then she will refuse until I give her one she agrees with.
For
example, if I told her to go towards the street to get around it,
she
wouldn't do that.
The problem we encounter frequently is trying to get around cars
that
sit in the cross walk. Just today I was crossing the street at
the
right time, when all of a sudden, Brie was taking me left way out
of
the cross walk. I told her no and tried to get her back in the
cross
walk. Then a couple friends of mine came by and told me there
was a
car blocking the entire cross walk. So Brie was smart, and I was
not.
:)
But I think that if the sidewalk is blocked, so that we would
need to
get on the grass, Brie would stop and wait for that direction.
This
is good because I think I would freak out if all of a sudden she
was
taking me on the grass randomly.
When we are inside, and there is an obstacle blocking the way
entirely, Brie will wait for someone to move it out of her way.
I am
curious if anyone else's dog does this. Of course, it can't
happen
with every obstacle, but let's say we are walking across a room,
and
our way is completely blocked by a desk. Brie will stop two or
three
feet away from the object--just enough that I can't see what it
is or
feel if there is room to move around it, and she won't move. No
matter what she won't budge until someone comes along and moves
the
obstacle for her. We are working on getting me closer to the
obstacle
so that I can move it or finding a different path in the first
place
so that she can completely avoid it.
I hope that made sense, and sorry for the long post.
On 4/30/13, Christel Sogenbits <christel.chrissu at gmail.com>
wrote:
Hello to everybody!
My Roosi is usually finding the way by her self but still
sometimes I mess
her up. Trust issues I think. But when we stop infront of some
obsticles
then I just say to her a command to find the road. If it doesnt
work for the
first time i repeat the command for several times and when she
still doesnt
move then I tell her the right way. For example to go to right
or left or
back. But usually she finds the right way and is so really
happy when she
gets so many good girls and happy words... Hmm.. I dont know
how it is in
english when you say to your dog that she is really good girl
and did good
with happy voice. Well I hope you understand:)smile:)
Oh, and please dont think that I dont trust my dog. But
sometimes when I
have better days and i can see a little then I still sometimes
want to
lead:)smile:)
Tervitades / With greetings
Christel Sogenbits
GSM: +372 58 440 521
E-mail: christel.chrissu at gmail.com
Skype: christel.chrissu
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
Carcione
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 8:52 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] working up to obstacles
Ben will go within a few feet of the obstacle, then turn to go
around it.
He only stops if the alternate path is also narrow, like when a
car is
across the sidewalk and a tree is close to the path to go around
the car, or
at the curb, if we have to step into the street.
In class, we worked what the trainer called a trap. She laid
out
construction tape along the side, then blocked it with more tape
at the end.
The dog is supposed to see that the end is blocked and not go in
the trap at
all. I kinda messed Ben up though, because, when he went to
turn away from
the trap, I thought he was messing around and made him go in.
He seems confused about such things to this day.
All my other dogs worked obstacles the same as Ben, go within a
few feet,
then choose a path around. At GDB, they wanted us to go up to
the obstacle
and then turn, but I dropped that at the first opportunity.
Tracy
Julie,
Mitzi, too, will figure things out from a distance and find
another way.
Very confusing, but I've gotten used to it for the most part.
Every
now and then I will argue her into taking me up to the obstacle,
and
she is very smug when we finally turn around and backtrack and
take
the way she told me to in the first place. /lol/
I don't know where she got it, either, since I didn't
specifically
train her for it. I suspect she just noticed that obstacles and
having
to turn around irritate me, or else she just doesn't like having
to
turn around because it's boring. Who knows? /lol/
Tami
On 04/30/2013 06:59 AM, Julie J. wrote:
I’m wondering how everyone else’s guides work impassable
obstacles?
For example, let’s say there’s been a severe thunderstorm
and a
largish tree branch has fallen across the sidewalk, entirely
blocking
it off.
How would your guide work that situation? If you’ve had more
than
one guide did they work something like this differently?
Do they go all the way up to the branch and then stop to wait
for
further instruction?
Would they alter course from a distance, so you never get close?
Would they stop a few feet away, at the most obvious turning
point to
go around the thing?
Something else?
Monty has always worked obstacles from a distance, meaning he
will
choose a clear path from as much as half a block away. Of
course, I
never taught him this. I have no idea what obstacles are that
far
away so I could offer instruction from that kind of distance.
This
is just how Monty has interpreted his job duties. Mostly I
appreciate not walking up to the obstacle only then having to
double
back and go a different direction. Sometimes though, it is
rather
annoying, not having the slightest idea why he is insistent that
we go a
different
way. He is zealous about safety to the point of insanity. If
he views
something as unsafe, no amount of coaxing, prompting or
encouraging
will get him to budge.
I do appreciate his stubborn insistence on safety, I just wish I
understood better what we were going around. I also wish I
knew how I
managed to give him the impression that he should stop so far
away.
*sigh*
It’s not really a problem so much as a curiosity to me.
He’s a
very smart dog. I wonder what goes on in his fat head.
Julie
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Julie McG
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Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
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