[nagdu] reissuing dogs
Sherry Gomes
sherriola at gmail.com
Fri Nov 1 09:45:36 UTC 2013
I've had one dog of mine that didn't work for me and was reissued. I believe
she worked successfully for a number of years. Back then, GDB used to change
the dogs' names if they were reissued, but they don't do that now. my
current guide, Olga, she was a reissue. She'd been with her first handler
for a year. The handler felt she didn't use Olga very much and wanted Olga
to go back and be placed again. I am so thankful. Olga is a great sweet dog.
She was three when she came to me, and I have to admit, I wouldn't mind
getting a three-year old dog again. She was past all that young dog stage.
Though seriously, Olga was probably born with an old spirit, just as my
retired guide Bianca is 12 and a half and still hasn't gotten over her puppy
stage! grin. But sometimes, letting a dog be reissued or getting a guide
that was reissued can be a very good thing for everyone involved.
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 8:48 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] ownership RE: Guide Dog Schools
They did have him scheduled for a home turn over. The first one didn't work
out and I heard he was scheduled for a second. I don't know if that
happened. That I would like to have strengthened so I know what actually
became of him.
Cindy
On Oct 31, 2013, at 9:41 PM, "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
> My thaughts exactly! I would want to have my dog be matched with a better
match If we didn't work out. No sense in goofing around!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ownership RE: Guide Dog Schools
>
>
>> Complete ownership is that you walk out of the school and the dog is
yours. If for some reason it is not working out for you, you ought to be
able to keep that dog. I had a situation in which I needed to be matched
with a dog but I had used that current dog for two years. I thought of
keeping him, but the problem was a bad match and I felt that others could
benefit from him so I returned him. I think nothing would have been said if
I decided not to.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2013, at 9:21 PM, "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> Chantel,
>>> Thank you for the correction.
>>> Can someone please define complete ownership when it comes to guide
dogs? I
>>> mean, if we get complete ownership, then doesn't that mean I'd get to
keep
>>> the dog no matter the age when that dog stops working? I'm just curious
>>> since I was told that I had to send my dog back to the school because
she
>>> didn't work out but she was only 3.
>>> Thank you, hannah
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chantel
Cuddemi
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 7:08 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog Schools
>>>
>>> Hanna,
>>>
>>> Pilot Dogs gives us graduates full ownership of our dogs upon graduation
>>> from the program.
>>>
>>> Hope that helped,
>>>
>>> Chantel and Motley of Pilot Dogs.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hannah
Chadwick
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 7:56 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog Schools
>>>
>>> Yes, GDB can provide more financial help if needed. I think that larger
>>> schools tend to have more follow-up services because they have more
funds as
>>> well as trainers. I don't think Pilot gives complete ownership, but I
could
>>> be wrong since that wasn't one of my concerns when I applied. Pilot
also
>>> trains boxers and Dobermans in addition to what Raven mentioned.
>>> On one hand I think that it is important to have a breed preference, but
on
>>> the other, I think it is the training that matters the most. There are
good
>>> things and bad things about every breed of dog. The work you put in is
what
>>> you will get out. The more effort you put into your dog will mean more
>>> success with your team. When you get your dog, please remember that the
>>> bonding process takes between 6 months and a year. As in my earlier
email,
>>> please feel free to email me off list if you want to know about Pilot or
>>> Guide Dogs for the Blind.
>>> Good luck, Hannah and Spritzie
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:39:50 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog Schools
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I attended Guiding Eyes for the Blind primarily because I wanted an
adult
>>> dog. As a person who never owned or handled a dog before, I thought it
>>> important to have a dog that was physically and mentally mature, and had
>>> established mannerisms. I wanted a golden retriever, and goldens and
German
>>> shepherds have a better work ethic as adults.
>>> This has been proven in studies of guide dog programs and service dog
>>> programs.
>>> I also chose GEB because of the financial assistance. Students are
allotted
>>> $200 annually, and if your dog is 10 pounds within their target weight,
the
>>> student is given another $100. There is also an emergency fund, but it
can
>>> only be used once during a particular dog's career. The GDB grads can
>>> correct me if I'm wrong, but I think GDB gives more financial assistance
>>> than this. Grads from that program can explain the logistics better.
>>> As far as what breed of dog is best at guide work, that depends on the
>>> person. I have always adored the gentle nature and laid-back
temperament of
>>> a golden, and I would not want to live with the high energy and
quirkiness
>>> of a typical labrador. German shepherds are very serious about their
work,
>>> but they have high energy requirements.
>>> All
>>> three breeds are extremely loving, loyal and obedient if you bond with
them
>>> properly. All three breeds have double coats, so they both shed a lot.
I
>>> do not know as much about the other breeds put out by Pilot dogs, but
people
>>> have success with them, so you would have to ask the handlers of
poodles,
>>> dobermans, and Vieszlas.
>>> You have to decide for yourself what you like or don't like in a dog.
>>> And the personality is just as, if not more, important than breed.
>>> Also, know that if you are picky about breed that it may take longer to
find
>>> you the right dog and get a class date. I was fortunate that my golden
was
>>> available so soon after I applied, but I knew that being choosy might
mean a
>>> longer wait.
>>> To determine which school might be right for you, you should rate the
>>> following factors by importance to you.
>>> location of school, home-training program, special needs program, cost
of
>>> the program, length of program, financial assistance, follow up
services,
>>> ownership policy, training methods, choice to meet and keep in touch
with
>>> your dog's puppy-raisers, graduation ceremony, breeds offered, life
stage of
>>> dogs issued These are just what I can think of for now, but there are
more
>>> factors that others will bring to your attention.
>>> If ownership is important to you, the Seeing Eye, Pilot Dogs, or Guide
Dogs
>>> of America are options. If you don't understand why ownership is
important
>>> to some people, then I will explain upon request, because it is a very
>>> serious issue that every service dog handler should have proper
>>> understanding of.
>>> If home-training is important to you this is offered by Fidelco, Guiding
>>> Eyes, and a couple other programs. Guiding Eyes usually does
home-training
>>> with returning graduates, but they have been known to approve it for
first
>>> time trainees.
>>> I would encourage you to complete your training with your first guide
dog at
>>> the school if it is at all possible and convenient for you. The benefit
is
>>> that you will not likely feel alone in the struggles you will
experience,
>>> and also, you can get great training and doggie care tips from
experienced
>>> guide dog handlers. In addition, you could develop long standing
>>> relationships with other classmates, which was a plus for me.
>>> Good luck, and email me off list if you want to know more about my
Guiding
>>> Eyes experience.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/31/13, Shickeytha Chandler <shickeytha at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thank you all for your responses. I have actually been leaning toward
a
>>> lab or a golden because I have heard in the past that those types of
dogs
>>> are very loyal and have an even temperament. But at the same time, I
want
>>> to have an open mind and consider what other types of dogs might have
to
>>> offer. By the way, I love the names of all three of your dogs. Great
dog
>>> names!
>>>
>>> On 10/31/13, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Shickeytha,
>>>
>>> I want to echo what Hannah said in her email. I am working with my
first
>>> guide, Viva from Guide Dogs for the Blind on their Oregon campus. As a
>>> college student, financial and post-graduation support were the two
most
>>> critical aspects that I was looking for in a guide dog school. I felt
like
>>> GDB provided both of these and I really liked their positive training
>>> methods as well as the respectful way they treat their handlers.
Regarding
>>> the breed of dog, I think that ultimately needs to be your decision.
Each
>>> individual has their preference and people are going to tell you their
>>> choice is the best.
>>> GDB only works with labs and golden retrievers. My girl is a lab and I
>>> couldn't have asked for a better dog; she's extremely energetic and
>>> playful, but she's an excellent worker once the harness goes on.
>>>
>>> Minh
>>>
>>> On 10/31/13, Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Welcome to the list!
>>>
>>> I am working my first dog from Pilot Dogs, a standard poodle named
Motley!
>>>
>>> We've been a team for a year and eight months.
>>>
>>> Good luck with what school you choose!
>>>
>>> Chantel and Motley.
>>>
>>> On 10/31/13, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hey,
>>> Welcome to the list. I'm working my second guide, Spritz. She is from
>>> Guide Dogs for the Blind. She is a black lab; I got her over the
summer.
>>> Since I'm a college student and having had a previous dog that was very
>>> high-maintenance, I knew I would need financial assistance and after
>>> support. Those were two of the major things I looked for when I
applied to
>>> schools. The training methods (positive vs negative) used in schools
also
>>> mattered to me. Of course which may vary on an individual and team
basis,
>>> but I've come to realize that food rewards go a long way. My first dog
>>> was from Pilot because I wanted a poodle, but she retired after almost
a
>>> year. My training experience at Pilot was good, but I wasn't as
>>> experienced so I didn't have the necessary tools to manage such a
>>> high-strung dog. Please email me off-list if you have further
questions.
>>> Good luck with the application process and all that.
>>> Best, Hannah and Spritz
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Shickeytha Chandler <shickeytha at gmail.com
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:08:20 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog Schools
>>>
>>> No problem. I understand that different people have different
experiences
>>> and perspectives, and I think it is important to consider both
positive
>>> and negative. Thanks.
>>>
>>> On 10/31/13, Mike <blinkin4342 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> As a Fidelco client I completely disagree with the statement that
Fidelco
>>> has contract issues. The issues are definitely personal and not
>>> Fidelco's
>>> fault.
>>> I have had nothing but good experiences with Fidelco over the last
three
>>> years and I know a lot of people who feel the same way. There are a
>>> certain
>>> handful of folks on this list who have personal issues with Fidelco and
>>> tend
>>> to be much louder than the people who have good experiences.
>>> You should definitely read the contract to make sure you are aware of
the
>>> rules. That is the case with any guy dog school. Just keep an open
>>> mind.
>>> Every school has good and bad things. Every school has someone who
loves
>>> them and hates them. I'd recommend that you decide what breed you
want,
>>> see
>>> what school meets your needs the best, and go forward from there.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2013, at 12:18 PM, "Larry D. Keeler"
>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> First, watch out for Fidelco! They have contract issues.
>>> Before
>>> you
>>> decide, make sure you read and understand the contract. The
>>> other thing,
>>> schools when possible do give you a choice. Now always can
>>> they
>>> accomidate
>>> but usually they can. I went to Pilot because I wanted a
>>> poodle. They
>>> breed them down there. However, I ended up qith a labradoodle
>>> wich is
>>> almost as good! As for training at school or at home, I think
>>> it
>>> would be
>>> more useful to train at hom. But, if you know your
>>> neighborhood, it
>>> doesn't matter as much.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shickeytha Chandler"
>>> <shickeytha at gmail.com
>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 11:44 AM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Guide Dog Schools
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I am new to the list. I currently travel with a cane, but am
>>> very
>>> seriously considering getting a guide dog in the near future.
>>> I
>>> am
>>> doing research on guide dog schools to see which might be best
>>> for me.
>>> I am considering Fidelco, Guiding Eyes and the Seeing Eye.
>>> Does
>>> anyone
>>> on this list have either particularly positive or especially
>>> negative
>>> experiences with any of these schools? If so, I would be
>>> interested to
>>> hear your feedback. Also, I noticed that Fidelco does training
>>> at your
>>> residence, whereas the other schools bring you to their
>>> campuses
>>> for
>>> training. I would like to hear perspectives about the
>>> disadvantages
>>> and advantages of each of these methods of training.
>>>
>>> Finally, I know that various types of dogs are trained as
>>> guides,
>>> ranging from labs to German Shepherds. I would like to know if
>>> schools
>>> give you a choice as to what type of dog you are paired with.
>>> Also, I
>>> would be interested to hear from anyone who has worked with
>>> dogs
>>> of
>>> various kinds; I'd like to know your thoughts as to whether
>>> there are
>>> distinct qualities that one breed possesses that another breed
>>> does
>>> not generally possess. Of course, I am sure all dogs are
>>> unique, even
>>> within a breed type.
>>>
>>> I know that is a lot of questions for one email. Thanks in
>>> advance for
>>> any insight that you can provide.
>>>
>>> Shickeytha
>>>
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