[nagdu] Ownership and Other Agreements was Guide Dog Schools
Hannah Chadwick
sparklylicious at gmail.com
Fri Nov 1 23:36:54 UTC 2013
Yeah I signed some papers but I don't remember anything about them haha. I
don't think we get complete ownership, but they never bugged me after I
graduated. I called them when I didn't think my dog was working out so they
arranged for her to be sent back to get reevaluated.
hannah
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 2:43 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ownership and Other Agreements was Guide Dog Schools
Good question. I'm not sure! I do know that they haven't bugged me at all
after I took Holly home. They called once when she got loose in the first 2
months but other than that, they haven't made a peep!
----- Original Message -----
From: "National Association of Guide Dog Users" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 12:23 PM
Subject: [nagdu] Ownership and Other Agreements was Guide Dog Schools
> Chantel,
> It is my understanding that Pilot does not transfer ownership upon
> completion of training. Do you have a copy of the Pilot agreement
> concerning this? As was stated on this list a little earlier, there
> are those who would share misinformation about the training programs
> and, in an effort to provide accurate information from an objective
> point of view, I would like to see the agreements from the training
> programs. NAGDU has requested this information from each of the
> programs and the only ones that were cooperative were the Guide Dog
> Foundation and Guide Dogs of America. I do have the Fidelco agreement,
> as posted to the list; however, this was given to me by a consumer,
> not by Fidelco. I know it is a true representation of the agreement,
> as other Fidelco consumers have shared their agreements with me and
> they are identical.
>
> It is my contention that, if the training programs feel confident with
> their agreements, they should be willing to share them with
> representative consumer organization in the interest of transparency
> and accountability. Failing this, it would be great if consumers would
> share their agreements with us.
>
> Fraternally yours,
>
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc.
> National Federation of the Blind
> (813) 626-2789 (Office)
> 888-NAGDU411 (Hotline
> President at nagdu.org
> www.nagdu.org
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chantel
> Cuddemi
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:08 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog Schools
>
> Hanna,
>
> Pilot Dogs gives us graduates full ownership of our dogs upon
> graduation from the program.
>
> Hope that helped,
>
> Chantel and Motley of Pilot Dogs.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hannah
> Chadwick
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 7:56 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog Schools
>
> Yes, GDB can provide more financial help if needed. I think that
> larger schools tend to have more follow-up services because they have
> more funds as well as trainers. I don't think Pilot gives complete
> ownership, but I could be wrong since that wasn't one of my concerns
> when I applied. Pilot also trains boxers and Dobermans in addition to
> what Raven mentioned.
> On one hand I think that it is important to have a breed preference,
> but on the other, I think it is the training that matters the most.
> There are good things and bad things about every breed of dog. The
> work you put in is what you will get out. The more effort you put
> into your dog will mean more success with your team. When you get
> your dog, please remember that the bonding process takes between 6
> months and a year. As in my earlier email, please feel free to email
> me off list if you want to know about Pilot or Guide Dogs for the
> Blind.
> Good luck, Hannah and Spritzie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:39:50 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog Schools
>
> Hi,
> I attended Guiding Eyes for the Blind primarily because I wanted an
> adult dog. As a person who never owned or handled a dog before, I
> thought it important to have a dog that was physically and mentally
> mature, and had established mannerisms. I wanted a golden retriever,
> and goldens and German shepherds have a better work ethic as adults.
> This has been proven in studies of guide dog programs and service dog
> programs.
> I also chose GEB because of the financial assistance. Students are
> allotted
> $200 annually, and if your dog is 10 pounds within their target
> weight, the student is given another $100. There is also an emergency
> fund, but it can only be used once during a particular dog's career.
> The GDB grads can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think GDB gives more
> financial assistance than this. Grads from that program can explain
> the logistics better.
> As far as what breed of dog is best at guide work, that depends on the
> person. I have always adored the gentle nature and laid-back
> temperament of a golden, and I would not want to live with the high
> energy and quirkiness of a typical labrador. German shepherds are
> very serious about their work, but they have high energy requirements.
> All
> three breeds are extremely loving, loyal and obedient if you bond with
> them properly. All three breeds have double coats, so they both shed
> a lot. I do not know as much about the other breeds put out by Pilot
> dogs, but people have success with them, so you would have to ask the
> handlers of poodles, dobermans, and Vieszlas.
> You have to decide for yourself what you like or don't like in a dog.
> And the personality is just as, if not more, important than breed.
> Also, know that if you are picky about breed that it may take longer
> to find you the right dog and get a class date. I was fortunate that
> my golden was available so soon after I applied, but I knew that being
> choosy might mean a longer wait.
> To determine which school might be right for you, you should rate the
> following factors by importance to you.
> location of school, home-training program, special needs program, cost
> of the program, length of program, financial assistance, follow up
> services, ownership policy, training methods, choice to meet and keep
> in touch with your dog's puppy-raisers, graduation ceremony, breeds
> offered, life stage of dogs issued These are just what I can think of
> for now, but there are more factors that others will bring to your
> attention.
> If ownership is important to you, the Seeing Eye, Pilot Dogs, or Guide
> Dogs of America are options. If you don't understand why ownership is
> important to some people, then I will explain upon request, because it
> is a very serious issue that every service dog handler should have
> proper understanding of.
> If home-training is important to you this is offered by Fidelco,
> Guiding Eyes, and a couple other programs. Guiding Eyes usually does
> home-training with returning graduates, but they have been known to
> approve it for first time trainees.
> I would encourage you to complete your training with your first guide
> dog at the school if it is at all possible and convenient for you.
> The benefit is that you will not likely feel alone in the struggles
> you will experience, and also, you can get great training and doggie
> care tips from experienced guide dog handlers. In addition, you could
> develop long standing relationships with other classmates, which was a
> plus for me.
> Good luck, and email me off list if you want to know more about my
> Guiding Eyes experience.
>
>
> On 10/31/13, Shickeytha Chandler <shickeytha at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you all for your responses. I have actually been leaning toward
> a lab or a golden because I have heard in the past that those types of
> dogs are very loyal and have an even temperament. But at the same
> time, I want to have an open mind and consider what other types of
> dogs might have to offer. By the way, I love the names of all three
> of your dogs. Great dog names!
>
> On 10/31/13, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Shickeytha,
>
> I want to echo what Hannah said in her email. I am working with my
> first guide, Viva from Guide Dogs for the Blind on their Oregon
> campus. As a college student, financial and post-graduation support
> were the two most critical aspects that I was looking for in a guide
> dog school. I felt like GDB provided both of these and I really liked
> their positive training methods as well as the respectful way they
> treat their handlers.
> Regarding
> the breed of dog, I think that ultimately needs to be your decision.
> Each
> individual has their preference and people are going to tell you
> their choice is the best.
> GDB only works with labs and golden retrievers. My girl is a lab and
> I couldn't have asked for a better dog; she's extremely energetic and
> playful, but she's an excellent worker once the harness goes on.
>
> Minh
>
> On 10/31/13, Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Welcome to the list!
>
> I am working my first dog from Pilot Dogs, a standard poodle named
> Motley!
>
> We've been a team for a year and eight months.
>
> Good luck with what school you choose!
>
> Chantel and Motley.
>
> On 10/31/13, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey,
> Welcome to the list. I'm working my second guide, Spritz. She is
> from Guide Dogs for the Blind. She is a black lab; I got her over the
summer.
> Since I'm a college student and having had a previous dog that was
> very high-maintenance, I knew I would need financial assistance and
> after support. Those were two of the major things I looked for when
> I applied to schools. The training methods (positive vs negative)
> used in schools also mattered to me. Of course which may vary on an
> individual and team basis, but I've come to realize that food rewards
> go a long way. My first dog was from Pilot because I wanted a poodle,
> but she retired after almost a year. My training experience at Pilot
> was good, but I wasn't as experienced so I didn't have the necessary
> tools to manage such a high-strung dog. Please email me off-list if
> you have further questions.
> Good luck with the application process and all that.
> Best, Hannah and Spritz
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shickeytha Chandler <shickeytha at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:08:20 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog Schools
>
> No problem. I understand that different people have different
> experiences and perspectives, and I think it is important to consider
> both positive and negative. Thanks.
>
> On 10/31/13, Mike <blinkin4342 at gmail.com> wrote:
> As a Fidelco client I completely disagree with the statement that
> Fidelco has contract issues. The issues are definitely personal and
> not Fidelco's fault.
> I have had nothing but good experiences with Fidelco over the last
> three years and I know a lot of people who feel the same way. There
> are a certain handful of folks on this list who have personal issues
> with Fidelco and tend to be much louder than the people who have
> good experiences.
> You should definitely read the contract to make sure you are aware
> of the rules. That is the case with any guy dog school. Just keep
> an open mind.
> Every school has good and bad things. Every school has someone who
> loves them and hates them. I'd recommend that you decide what breed
> you want, see what school meets your needs the best, and go forward
> from there.
>
>
> Mike
>
> On Oct 31, 2013, at 12:18 PM, "Larry D. Keeler"
> <lkeeler at comcast.net
> wrote:
>
> First, watch out for Fidelco! They have contract issues.
> Before
> you
> decide, make sure you read and understand the contract. The
> other thing,
> schools when possible do give you a choice. Now always can
> they
> accomidate
> but usually they can. I went to Pilot because I wanted a
> poodle. They
> breed them down there. However, I ended up qith a labradoodle
> wich is
> almost as good! As for training at school or at home, I think
> it
> would be
> more useful to train at hom. But, if you know your
> neighborhood, it
> doesn't matter as much.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shickeytha Chandler"
> <shickeytha at gmail.com
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 11:44 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] Guide Dog Schools
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am new to the list. I currently travel with a cane, but am
> very
> seriously considering getting a guide dog in the near future.
> I
> am
> doing research on guide dog schools to see which might be best
> for me.
> I am considering Fidelco, Guiding Eyes and the Seeing Eye.
> Does
> anyone
> on this list have either particularly positive or especially
> negative
> experiences with any of these schools? If so, I would be
> interested to
> hear your feedback. Also, I noticed that Fidelco does training
> at your
> residence, whereas the other schools bring you to their
> campuses
> for
> training. I would like to hear perspectives about the
> disadvantages
> and advantages of each of these methods of training.
>
> Finally, I know that various types of dogs are trained as
> guides,
> ranging from labs to German Shepherds. I would like to know if
> schools
> give you a choice as to what type of dog you are paired with.
> Also, I
> would be interested to hear from anyone who has worked with
> dogs
> of
> various kinds; I'd like to know your thoughts as to whether
> there are
> distinct qualities that one breed possesses that another breed
> does
> not generally possess. Of course, I am sure all dogs are
> unique, even
> within a breed type.
>
> I know that is a lot of questions for one email. Thanks in
> advance for
> any insight that you can provide.
>
> Shickeytha
>
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