[nagdu] GDB and German Shepherds was RE: Hi
Nicole Torcolini
ntorcolini at wavecable.com
Fri Nov 15 01:48:55 UTC 2013
GDB no longer trains German Shepherds. I think that they stopped because,
in spite of their best efforts, they were having too many aggression and
medical problems.
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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hannah Chadwick
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
I also know that Pilot Dogs train shepherds. Either GDA or GDD may still
be training them as well, but I'm not too sure. The best of luck!
----- Original Message -----
From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:51:59 -0500
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
Hi,
The majority of guide dog schools in the United States don't grant full
ownership. As far as I know, there are only four schools that grant full
ownership out of the fifteen or so in the country.
Just because certain people are concerned with ownership does not mean
everyone has to be. I chose Guiding Eyes, which does not grant full
ownership of the dog. But my desire for an adult golden retriever and
financial assistance overruled anything else other schools had to offer.
I am beyond sick of people putting down and dissuading people from
attending Fidelco. Obviously, I would never attend this school because of
my breed preference, but I still cannot believe how many people are very
anti Fidelco and believe it is their mission in life to stop as many people
from attending that school as possible. Fidelco is a small school and
trains outstanding dogs so far as I have seen. There are bad cases that
come out of every school, and there are more schools than just Fidelco that
have seemingly repossessed dogs or harnesses unjustly. Out of all the
teams that graduate from Fidelco, how likely is a graduate to have their
dog taken from them? I just do not believe that this school would train
dogs just to repossess them later.
How
logical is that? How would that make them look to potential clients and
donors? Come on now!
Choose a school according to your personal judgment, needs, and wants.
Yes, take others opinion into account, but talk to graduates, not just the
bashers on this list.
If I wanted the guarantee of a healthy, stable working, adult German
shepherd and lived within the vicinity of the school, I would choose
Fidelco.
As for the other schools mentioned above. Guiding Eyes offers home
training, but I think that school is only issuing labradors at this time.
It's possible that there's some shepherds waiting to be matched or in
training, but you'd have to call and find out.
As for Leader and GDF, I'd say call to find out if they issue adult German
shepherds, and if they'd be willing to do home training with you. Fidelco
still might be your best bet because they'll likely have more German
shepherds on hand, and may have a match sooner than the other schools.
Do your homework.
On 11/14/13, barbandzoe at comcast.net <barbandzoe at comcast.net>
wrote:
I work at a fitness club, I do laundry and locker room attendant
I am part
time right now and have no vacation and sick pay.
I had always though that guide dogs were only for people with no
sight, and
now I find that people who are legally blind can use a guide
dog.?I don't
like using a cane I feel funny.?Plus I have had abit of trouble
with night
and bright day vision since I get glaucoma. Plus I am in my
fifties and go
home at night and I end up in the best part of town.?I have not
had trouble
yet, but all the people going to the bar and the guys out pan
handling, well
it would be nice to have a friend with me. plus sometimes when
I cross so of
the busier streets, it is a bit of a guessing game.
Plus I would have had a dog and time ago if I would have known
this.
If it is a cane or dog, I will take the dog anyday.
Barb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com
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Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:28:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
Not necessarily.
Talk to other schools, GDF, Guiding Eyes, Leader, you've got
nothing to
loose.
Leader Dogs also doesn't grant ownership.
I'm not sure about Guiding Eyes. GDF does. Any school that
doesn't grant
ownership can take your dog back. Think of it like renting. If
that gives
you the willies, then you do need a school that grants
ownership.
Could you take medical leave or vacation time? Would you want to
do this?
I'm curious, what do you do? And, why do you want a dog now?
Maybe if you
can explain that to your employer, you'll have better luck?
I had two dogs, and now use a cane. If you like, email me
off-list.
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
barbandzoe at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:22 AM
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Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
Hi,
Thanks for that. I don't have the option to say it's like
taking classes,
cause we have no classes to take that would help me in my job.
I am a low
level employee and they can find some one w=else to do my job.
I have herd that about fidelco the taking of the dog. That does
bother me.
But if I want a dog I would have to go through them because I
can't get
that kind of time off.
Barb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:03:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
Barb,
Talk to your boss and present it as training like computer or
other
training, training that you will use to help make you a better
employee.
Look at your com Pany and see what types of courses they offer,
many do
offer multiweek courses of all kinds.
I'd approach from that angle.
As for Fildelco, you have to understand that they don't grant
ownership,
which means they can take your dog at any time for any reason.
It's be like
if I lent you my Ipod, I could come and get it whenever I liked.
The school
may never do this to you, but they do have that option.
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
barbandzoe at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:33 PM
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Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
Yes, I have herd about things with fidelco, but I don't know
what the issues
are. ?I don't want trouble, and if I find they are to stricked
in some of
their needs and conditions, I will look into another school. ?
If the people
who have dogs from fidelco get this, could they tell me what I
may need to
know. I know Seeing Eye has GSD's but they have a four week
program. How if
I can get my boss to let me talk that time, I would go there,
or pilot
dogs.
Thanks
Barb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:46:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
Best of luck choosing a school. Whatever school you choose, be
sure to
familiarize yourself with its contract. Some schools do not
grant you full
ownership of your dog and requires certain conditions be met.
There are
several people who got dogs from Fidelco on this list.
Tai
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2013, at 8:26 PM, barbandzoe at comcast.net wrote:
II have been looking into Fidelco, mostly because they come to
my house
and train there for about three weeks, plus I really want a GSD.
It is
hard enough to get a couple of days off work two to four weeks
would be
hard. I know that I still have to take time off to train with
Fidelco,
but if I can't get a shift covered, maybe we could use that as a
training
session. ?Plus I have two dogs at home that are my roommates,
and the
trainer could maybe help with introducing them.
Barb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:49:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
Welcome to the list. It is my understanding that Guide Dogs for
the Blind
has a two week training program. They have campuses in
California and
Oregon. Their website is www.guidedogs.com.
Tai
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2013, at 2:34 PM, barbandzoe at comcast.net wrote:
Hi am knew to the list, and my name is Barb
I am looking into getting a guide dog, but haven't gotten any
pepper work
yet. I am still looking at schools, but I am finding the 4
weeks away
from home and work a bit much to work around. I want a dog and
hope to
get things started soon.
Barb
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