[nagdu] walking guide dogs?

Wed Nov 20 23:21:07 UTC 2013

Rebecca, 
You could have said the below in a nicer fashion. Please try harder next time to choose your words better. 
Thank you, 

Marsha drenth, NAGDU list Moderator  
Sent with my IPhone 

> On Nov 20, 2013, at 5:03 PM, "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, all this. I also got annoyed when you combine Barb's assumptions with
> her wanting to get a dog.  It would be logically consistent if she said "all
> the guide dogs I've seen are overweight" and "Blind people can't walk their
> own dogs" and "Based on what I don't think, I don't want a dog". But, she
> didn't say that. 
> It came across to me at any rate as "I can do it better then the rest of you
> lazy incapable people.  I have no experience, but that doesn't matter,I am
> unique and special". 
> Finally, it doesn't matter how many pet dogs you've had, or how many dog
> trainers you listen to. It doesn't compare with having a guide dog. It's
> like saying "I have a ton of nieces and nephews, and I play with the kids in
> the neighborhood all the time, so I know what it's like to be a parent." You
> may have good insights, but you don't really know what having a guide is
> like day in and day out. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 7:48 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking guide dogs?
> 
> Barb
> You ask a good question.  Two things...you went directly to having someone
> else walk the dog for Jewl.  Typically things like this are suggested
> because there is an underlying belief that the blind person can't manage
> independently.  We get a lot of that from sighted folks.  The list tends to
> be a place where people feel like others will understand what blind people
> can do and will support each others independence.  I have no idea what your
> beliefs are about the capabilities of blind people or if this is any way
> what you were getting at, but I felt like it did come across that way.
> 
> Then, you made a generalization that all guide dogs are overweight and not
> worked enough.  Again I don't know if you meant only the few guides that
> you've seen in person or what.  It came across pretty harsh.  That statement
> along with the idea that we can't walk our own dogs felt like we are all fat
> and lazy and don't set down the Doritos long enough to get off the couch to
> provide exercise for our dogs.
> 
> email is hard sometimes, because the same word can mean different things to
> different people.  Or omitting a single word by accident can change the
> entire meaning.  Or what we thought was perfectly clear to ourselves turned
> out to not to be clear at all.  You are new to the list and we don't know
> you all that well.  We don't know what's typical for you and know how to
> read between the lines.
> 
> You asked, so I've explained the best I can from my perspective.  There's no
> hard feelings meant.  I would like to get to know you better and hope that
> you will continue to post.
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: barbandzoe at comcast.net
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 8:27 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking guide dogs?
> 
> Ok, when I suggested this to Jewel, I got beat up, mow hear Gary asked the
> question in a different form and he is OK,  what did I do wrong.  The only
> reason I suggested Jewel maybe have someone else do leash walks of if She
> couldn't do them herself.
> 
> I don't want trouble I just want  to understand.
> 
> Barb
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Jewel" <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 6:34:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking guide dogs?
> 
> My dog gets at least one sniffy walk the day. If she didn't, she really
> would be even more of a problem with her sniffing, I think. Maybe I should
> try doing like you do and do a bunch of smaller sniff sessions.
> Jewel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2013, at 6:34 PM, GARY STEEVES <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> This lack of speed thread has produced this interesting question for 
>> me to ask. I'm curious how many of you walk your dog on leash daily? I 
>> know when I was talking to my school about working on heeling Bogart 
>> while just on leash they were wondering why would I need to do that.
>> 
>> I take Bogart out for a walk in the morning on leash. If I'm heading 
>> to work then it is just half a block where he knows how much time he 
>> has to get busy or harness is on and we're on our way. At night I take 
>> him for a walk again before going to bed. These aren't long walks, 
>> about 15 - 20 minutes weather dependent. I use my cane for walking 
>> him. This is where he is allowed to be a sniffy dog but when he is in 
>> harness I do not allow him to be sniffy. At lunch at work we go in 
>> harness a block from here to the residential street where I take off 
>> his harness and we walk a block one direction and then back with him 
>> on leash. Then back in harness and off to lunch. After work it's all 
>> in harness until the block of my place and then harness off so he can
> sniff and relieve himself.
>> 
>> No judgements about right or wrong but I'm curious if others take 
>> their guide dogs for walks without the harness.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Gary
>> 
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