[nagdu] walking guide dogs?

Thu Nov 21 05:41:49 UTC 2013

I never walk Brie outside without the harness.  I park her on leash,
but we don't walk around at those times.  I do tend to walk her around
buildings without her harness on though.  At my undergrad, we used to
do this a lot.  She always behaved herself and knew better than to
sniff.  I am sort of over controled about letting my dog sniff though
because she has a history of having a bad stomach, and if she picks up
something and then throws up, both of us would not be happy.

It really does depend on the dog.  I do let my mother give her walks,
but most other people don't like giving her walks because she tries to
pull them and gets out of hand.  She really is a hard headed dog that
likes to test others.  :)

On 11/20/13, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
> Rebecca,
> You could have said the below in a nicer fashion. Please try harder next
> time to choose your words better.
> Thank you,
>
> Marsha drenth, NAGDU list Moderator
> Sent with my IPhone
>
>> On Nov 20, 2013, at 5:03 PM, "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, all this. I also got annoyed when you combine Barb's assumptions
>> with
>> her wanting to get a dog.  It would be logically consistent if she said
>> "all
>> the guide dogs I've seen are overweight" and "Blind people can't walk
>> their
>> own dogs" and "Based on what I don't think, I don't want a dog". But, she
>> didn't say that.
>> It came across to me at any rate as "I can do it better then the rest of
>> you
>> lazy incapable people.  I have no experience, but that doesn't matter,I
>> am
>> unique and special".
>> Finally, it doesn't matter how many pet dogs you've had, or how many dog
>> trainers you listen to. It doesn't compare with having a guide dog. It's
>> like saying "I have a ton of nieces and nephews, and I play with the kids
>> in
>> the neighborhood all the time, so I know what it's like to be a parent."
>> You
>> may have good insights, but you don't really know what having a guide is
>> like day in and day out.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 7:48 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking guide dogs?
>>
>> Barb
>> You ask a good question.  Two things...you went directly to having
>> someone
>> else walk the dog for Jewl.  Typically things like this are suggested
>> because there is an underlying belief that the blind person can't manage
>> independently.  We get a lot of that from sighted folks.  The list tends
>> to
>> be a place where people feel like others will understand what blind
>> people
>> can do and will support each others independence.  I have no idea what
>> your
>> beliefs are about the capabilities of blind people or if this is any way
>> what you were getting at, but I felt like it did come across that way.
>>
>> Then, you made a generalization that all guide dogs are overweight and
>> not
>> worked enough.  Again I don't know if you meant only the few guides that
>> you've seen in person or what.  It came across pretty harsh.  That
>> statement
>> along with the idea that we can't walk our own dogs felt like we are all
>> fat
>> and lazy and don't set down the Doritos long enough to get off the couch
>> to
>> provide exercise for our dogs.
>>
>> email is hard sometimes, because the same word can mean different things
>> to
>> different people.  Or omitting a single word by accident can change the
>> entire meaning.  Or what we thought was perfectly clear to ourselves
>> turned
>> out to not to be clear at all.  You are new to the list and we don't know
>> you all that well.  We don't know what's typical for you and know how to
>> read between the lines.
>>
>> You asked, so I've explained the best I can from my perspective.  There's
>> no
>> hard feelings meant.  I would like to get to know you better and hope
>> that
>> you will continue to post.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: barbandzoe at comcast.net
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 8:27 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking guide dogs?
>>
>> Ok, when I suggested this to Jewel, I got beat up, mow hear Gary asked
>> the
>> question in a different form and he is OK,  what did I do wrong.  The
>> only
>> reason I suggested Jewel maybe have someone else do leash walks of if She
>> couldn't do them herself.
>>
>> I don't want trouble I just want  to understand.
>>
>> Barb
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Jewel" <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 6:34:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] walking guide dogs?
>>
>> My dog gets at least one sniffy walk the day. If she didn't, she really
>> would be even more of a problem with her sniffing, I think. Maybe I
>> should
>> try doing like you do and do a bunch of smaller sniff sessions.
>> Jewel
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 19, 2013, at 6:34 PM, GARY STEEVES <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all:
>>>
>>> This lack of speed thread has produced this interesting question for
>>> me to ask. I'm curious how many of you walk your dog on leash daily? I
>>> know when I was talking to my school about working on heeling Bogart
>>> while just on leash they were wondering why would I need to do that.
>>>
>>> I take Bogart out for a walk in the morning on leash. If I'm heading
>>> to work then it is just half a block where he knows how much time he
>>> has to get busy or harness is on and we're on our way. At night I take
>>> him for a walk again before going to bed. These aren't long walks,
>>> about 15 - 20 minutes weather dependent. I use my cane for walking
>>> him. This is where he is allowed to be a sniffy dog but when he is in
>>> harness I do not allow him to be sniffy. At lunch at work we go in
>>> harness a block from here to the residential street where I take off
>>> his harness and we walk a block one direction and then back with him
>>> on leash. Then back in harness and off to lunch. After work it's all
>>> in harness until the block of my place and then harness off so he can
>> sniff and relieve himself.
>>>
>>> No judgements about right or wrong but I'm curious if others take
>>> their guide dogs for walks without the harness.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Gary
>>>
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Julie McG
National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National
Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008
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