[nagdu] Time-outs for Guide Dogs

Sean Robertson sprobertson1 at verizon.net
Fri Sep 20 14:10:16 UTC 2013


With my two guide dogs, Any kind of distrasion, I made them sit, For about 5 
to 10 seconds. Then start walking again. And if it happend again, The same 
thing.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shanna Stichler" <slstich at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Time-outs for Guide Dogs


> Hi Darla,
>
> GDB implemented a technique a few years ago where, if you notice your dog 
> getting distracted, you simply stop moving, drop the harness handle, slide 
> bring the dog close to your left side, and stand still for about 10 
> seconds. You give the dog no verbal correction, no feedback of any kind. 
> After 10-15 seconds or so, you simply pick up the harness handle and 
> continue on your way. Once the dog passes whatever the distraction was, I 
> believe you're supposed to praise/feed the dog. That is what GDB calls a 
> time out. The idea is that the dog will re-orient to the handler after a 
> few seconds of it's own accord. It works well with many dogs, but not all. 
> I don't personally use this technique because, aside from it not working 
> well with my particular dog, I find it inefficient. Just my opinion 
> though, of course.
>
> Shanna and Diamond
>  On 9/19/2013 10:45 PM, Darla Rogers wrote:
>> What is a time-out for dogs, exactly, Shanna?
>> Curiously,
>> Darla & Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shanna 
>> Stichler
>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:27 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] training methods of schools
>>
>> A dog with a less sensitive neck is likely not going to respond well to a
>> martingale. They just won't feel the correction as much, so you will need 
>> to
>> correct a lot harder for the dog to notice. This looks a lot worse to me, 
>> as
>> compared with using a chain slip or even a prong collar but minimal to no
>> actual leash handling.
>>
>> Also, positive punishment is a leash correction, verbal admonishment, 
>> etc.
>> In the context of animal behavior, positive means to add something in 
>> order
>> to cause a change in behavior, while negative would mean taking something
>> away. An example of negative punishment that GDB uses is the time-out
>> technique, reworking a distraction, etc. How effective those things are 
>> will
>> depend on the dog. Mine thinks time-outs are actually a reward, and 
>> simply
>> stands next to me and watches the distraction, which is typically a small
>> animal, for instance.
>>
>> Shanna and Diamond
>> On 9/19/2013 8:07 PM, Tina Thomas wrote:
>>> You are giving a leash correction when you tighten the leash to get
>>> your dog's attention. The only difference is the collar is made out of
>>> nylon so it looks better in public. Also what is this positive
>>> punishment GDB is using? Also, My girl is a GSD  with a very strong
>>> neck and I think that collar would not be affective. I'm willing to
>>> try it for myself. Where can I get this type of collar?
>>> Tina and the girls
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:44 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] training methods of schools
>>>
>>> Tina,
>>>
>>> What do you mean she could snap it in half? The martingail is made of
>>> nylon with a middle loop in the middle that tightens up when you do a
>>> leash correction.
>>>
>>> Minh
>>>
>>> On 9/19/13, Tina Thomas <judotina48kg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> What is positive punishment? Also, I am A Seeing Eye Grad, and we do
>>>> use leash corrections and we also praise the dogs when they are
>>>> exhibiting the desired behavior. As far as clicker training, it was
>>>> used to target train the dogs. I have seen the collars that GDB is
>>>> currently using, and for me I wouldn't use it on my dog, because I
>>>> know
>>> she would snap it in half.
>>>> However, the collar looks  more  appealing to the public eye.
>>>> Tina and the girls
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
>>>> Tolliver
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 4:37 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] training methods of schools
>>>>
>>>> I believe the Seeing Eye also uses clicker training. I think they are
>>>> starting to phase in treat training as well. Treat training is not
>>>> necessary, but food is a primary reinforcer, so it's incredibly useful.
>>>> I think the Seeing Eye is still correction-heavy with their dogs 
>>>> though.
>>>> GEB
>>>> is somewhere between compulsion training and clicker training,
>>>> leaning more toward positive reinforcement training. I think GDB is
>>>> the most positive with their dogs. They use positive punishment,
>>>> positive reinforcement, and negative punishment. Also, they're
>>>> issuing a lot, not all, dogs with martingale check collars.
>>>> Personally, I believe the martingale check should be the norm; I'm
>>>> sure it'll happen one day. Most of the dogs that are trained as
>>>> guides are eager to please, so it would be nice to see gentler ways
>>>> of handling and interacting with them, even when they misbehave.
>>>>
>>>> On 9/19/13, L Gwizdak <leg1950 at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> Guiding Eyes in New York and Guide Dogs for the Blind in California.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
>>>>> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Danielle Sykora" <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 7:04 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] training methods of schools
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do the different training methods differ between schools? Which
>>>>>> schools have begun to use more positive methods of training such as
>>>>>> food rewards and clicker training? I'm sorry this question is so
>>>>>> vague; however, I am truely curious. It is difficult to determine
>>>>>> this kind of information from a training program's website so I
>>>>>> thought it would be beneficial to ask those with firsthand
>>>>>> experience. Any information would be appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Danielle
>>>>>>
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