[nagdu] training methods of schools

[Darla Rogers]

I believe, Erich Renner, formerly of international Guiding Eyes, had a very
good way to remember how to work with your dog
Prepare.  Know where you want to go and how to get there, so you can command
our dog properly.
Command.  Issue the  commands you will need to navigate to your destination
Enforce.  Enforced the command, especially when you know there is no reason
for it to be disobeyed.
Praise.  Lots of praise..
	I definitely did not quote the text after each heading, as I
definitely have senior moments, but perhaps there is someone here who can do
a better job at describing what is meant.
	Remember, this has nothing to do with how hard you correct--it may
not even have anything to do with "click and treat," but perhaps they can be
incorporated into this model.
Darla & Huck


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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
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I agree with Tina here. I would say they are only correction heavy if you
are light on the praise. They have emphasized that for years. As for clicker
training, all of the dogs are clicker ready, but I don't think still that
this is a primary part of the training. The treat training itself is used
when other stuff isn't working, I think, like with Wayne. Of course, it has
been almost five years since I got Fisher. I was thinking it was almost four
until the other day when I recalculated.

CL

On Sep 19, 2013, at 6:37 PM, Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I believe the Seeing Eye also uses clicker training. I think they are 
> starting to phase in treat training as well. Treat training is not 
> necessary, but food is a primary reinforcer, so it's incredibly 
> useful.
> I think the Seeing Eye is still correction-heavy with their dogs 
> though. GEB is somewhere between compulsion training and clicker 
> training, leaning more toward positive reinforcement training. I think 
> GDB is the most positive with their dogs. They use positive 
> punishment, positive reinforcement, and negative punishment. Also, 
> they're issuing a lot, not all, dogs with martingale check collars.
> Personally, I believe the martingale check should be the norm; I'm 
> sure it'll happen one day. Most of the dogs that are trained as guides 
> are eager to please, so it would be nice to see gentler ways of 
> handling and interacting with them, even when they misbehave.
> 
> On 9/19/13, L Gwizdak <leg1950 at cox.net> wrote:
>> Guiding Eyes in New York and Guide Dogs for the Blind in California.
>> 
>> Lyn and Landon
>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is 
>> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Danielle Sykora" <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 7:04 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] training methods of schools
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> How do the different training methods differ between schools? Which 
>>> schools have begun to use more positive methods of training such as 
>>> food rewards and clicker training? I'm sorry this question is so 
>>> vague; however, I am truely curious. It is difficult to determine 
>>> this kind of information from a training program's website so I 
>>> thought it would be beneficial to ask those with firsthand 
>>> experience. Any information would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Danielle
>>> 
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