[nagdu] A CCB resolution on changes to have certification forservice dogs

Wed Apr 2 20:24:54 UTC 2014

LOL Rox!
I agree that there will be holy hell to deal with if anyone tries to change 
the law.  I personally disagree with this resolution.

I think the best and simplest way to deal with the problem with fake 
"service dogs" is to educate businesses and other places of public 
accomodation.  These places have to know what kinds of tasks real service 
dogs are trained in and what kinds of behaviors to expect from the dogs. 
That's it!  Simple!

If someone feels the need for a fake service dog and has no disability, 
well, the least they can do is to have a dog that behaves wwell in public 
and doesn't raise any suspicions.  If a dog is wwell behaved and doesn't 
mess with me or my dog, I don't care if it is present.

What is needed is for every NAGDU, GDUI, ACB or NFB chapter to do to remedy 
this problem is for us to reach out to the business community and EDUCATE 
them!  This entails going to business associations which are present in 
almost every neighborhood, city or town.  Call them up and ask to be a 
presenter at their meetings - usually monthly and some weekly.  See if you 
can even get a person with a disability other than blindness who has a well 
trained service dog to be a part of the presentation.  that way, the 
business community will learn about the variety of ligit services dogs and 
how they work/behave.

These presentations can be done also at local Lions Clubs, Masons, Moose, 
and any other service organizations because they are full of people from the 
business community.  This is WAY easier than trying to change laws that need 
no changing or trying to control internet businesses that sell service dog 
gear.  Will never happen and they are only interestedd in making money 
anyway.  The fakes with ill-behaved dogs will be spotted right away if the 
businesspeople also train their empolyees.  The ADA already has a remedy for 
misbehaving dogs that become a problem - both real ones or fake ones. Doing 
this will work as time goes on and the idea catches on.  This is what I'd 
like to see us do when we get our new San Diego NFB Chapter going.

Lyn and Landon
"Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
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From: "The Pawpower Pack" <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] A CCB resolution on changes to have certification 
forservice dogs

> Oh boy... I don't even know where to start.
> All I can say is, that if these people hope to change the law to fall in 
> line with this resolution, they're going to have one heck of a fight on 
> their hands.
> I'm not keen on some schmuck at walmart being able to demand some kind of 
> paperwork from me with who knows what kind of personal information on it 
> to prove something.  The law already has outlined the things a person can 
> ask, and a service animal can be judged by its behavior, and if someone 
> puts enough time into training their pet so that it is as well behaved as 
> a service dog, frankly I don't care if it's in public.
> The key here is task training, and if dogs are behaving badly, are not 
> house trained, are being disruptive, then as outlined in the law, the 
> owner can be, and should be, asked to remove the dog.
> Lastly, if anyone finds a self trained service dog, do let me know!  I'd 
> sure would love a dog who could train itself.  Would save me a ton of 
> work!
>
> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
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>
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 1:44 PM, "L Gwizdak" <leg1950 at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> Here is something that will impact guide dog users and service dog users 
>> that I got on another list.
>>
>> This resolution to be presented at the CCB convention in California was 
>> drafted to address the problems of fake service dogs.  What do you all 
>> think?  Could this be a remedy to the problem of people passing off their 
>> pets as service dogs in places of public accomidation?  I wonder if this 
>> may be the only was or is there another way.
>>
>> Here it is pasted below:
>>
>> Whereas: Title III of the Americans with Disabilities Act defines the 
>> rights
>> of people with disabilities to access places of public accommodation, and
>>
>> Whereas: These access rights are extended to service animal handlers as
>> defined in the 2011 ADA Accessibility Guidelines, and
>>
>> Whereas: These service animal access rights are also guaranteed by 
>> numerous
>> state and local statutes, and
>>
>> Whereas, Due to weaknesses in the relevant legislation and the general
>> ignorance that exists about the legal definition of service animals and 
>> of
>> their access rights, there exists an epidemic of persons fraudulently
>> bringing their pets into places of public accommodation under the pretext
>> that they are service animals, and
>>
>> Whereas, The presence and bad behavior of fake service animals in places 
>> of
>> public accommodation places the access rights of legitimate service 
>> animal
>> handlers at risk, Therefore be it
>>
>> Resolved by Guide Dog Users of California meeting at the Arden West 
>> Hilton
>> Hotel in Sacramento, California on April 12, 2014 that this organization
>> shall strive to put an end to service animal fraud by  actively
>> participating in a coalition of like-minded groups to advocate for the
>> following changes in law and to engage in  other related activities.
>>
>> 1. The coalition shall seek changes to ADA regulations and to other 
>> relevant
>> federal statutes and regulations  as follows.
>>
>> 1.1. The ADA regulations must be amended to permit providers of public
>> accommodations to require service animal handlers to show documentation 
>> to
>> verify the status of their animals as a condition for extending their
>> accommodation rights to their animals.
>>
>> 1.2. Federal law must permit states and local governments to enact 
>> service
>> animal licensure requirements to make it easier for providers of public
>> accommodations to distinguish service animals from pets, provided that 
>> such
>> licensure requirements do not impede the access rights of service animal
>> handlers and that the licensure requirements are no more costly than 
>> those
>> imposed on pet owners..
>>
>> 1.3. Federal law must  restrict  the interstate sale of service animal
>> identification products to legitimate service animal training programs 
>> and
>> to individuals who can provide proof of the status of their service 
>> animals.
>> Vendors who fail to follow these requirements must be subject to fines 
>> large
>> enough to discourage the traffic in fake service animal products.
>>
>> 2. The coalition must develop model state laws and regulations as 
>> described
>> below and then advocate throughout the nation for the enactment of these
>> statutes.
>>
>> 2.1. States must implement service animal license laws compliant with 
>> item
>> 1.2 above.  These laws must provide for the licensing of animals issued
>> through recognized training programs and also provide for the licensing 
>> of
>> self-trained service animals.
>>
>> 2.2. States must enact prohibitions on the intrastate sale of fraudulent
>> service animal identification products that are comparable to the
>> prohibitions described in item 1.3.
>>
>> 3. The Coalition shall develop and execute an education campaign to 
>> inform
>> the public about the definition of a service animal, about the access 
>> rights
>> of service animal handlers and about the negative consequences of and the
>> legal penalties for service animal fraud.
>>
>>
>> Frank Welte
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>>
>>
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
>> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
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>> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 7:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] It's a go
>>
>>
>>> Jewel, good luck in your class.Hope you get that special dog and have 
>>> many
>>> years of partnership.I hope you won't get rained on to much,lol.Have a
>>> great time in class. Mardi and Shaman and Neechee.
>>>
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