[nagdu] mobility independence question

Thu Apr 17 18:14:12 UTC 2014

Hi John and all,
I remember the days of when the schools didn't really insist on good O&m 
skills before getting a guide dog.  Some of these people were in my classes. 
It wasn't pretty.

The schools want you to have good skills for a reason.  You have to already 
know how to travel independently with a cane first.  You have to know how to 
judge traffic and how to get around on your own first.  When you are 
training to use a guide dog, you must use the skills you have already 
learned.  Then you will be ready to learn how to apply these skills using a 
dog.

I have seen people trying to learn everything at once and it didn't work out 
very well.  The dog just got confused and was unable to get the proper info 
from you that it needs to properly guide you.

If you have no blindness skills training place in your area, contact the O&M 
department at Michigan State in Kalamazoo for resources.

When you apply for a dog, you have to put in the application the name of 
your mobility instructor to prove you have the prerequisite training before 
training with a dog.  Also, Leader has some kind of class to get one ready 
for a dog.

HTH

Lyn and Landon
"Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aleeha Dudley" <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] mobility independence question

> Hello,
>     While it is possible for you to be accepted to a guide dog school
> while "semi-independent", I think the fact that you want the video to
> have no flaws is quite concerning. If, for example, you film this
> video with no flaws because someone has very briefly taught you how to
> cross a traffic lighted intersection, you will have a lot of trouble
> when you get into training. You will be expected to make crossing
> decisions on your own and it is irresponsible to attempt to get a
> guide while your o and m skills are still lacking. I, in no way,
> intend to be offensive, just a bit blunt. One must be absolutely sure
> of their mobility skills before training so that you can successfully
> work your dog.
> Just my thoughts,
> Aleeha and Dallas, who is currently begging for attention
>
> On 4/13/14, starmy22 at gmail.com <starmy22 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>     Hi,
>> I have a question:  if I'm not able to get any mobility training here in 
>> the
>> Okemos Michigan area from a mobility instructer, would I have to turn to 
>> a
>> couple of blind friends who would be able to show me the proper way of
>> crossing streets?
>> I want this video that I'm going to have help from some one who is 
>> sighted
>> to be perfect.
>> I want no errors.
>> I don't want to have anything in the video that would make the two 
>> schools
>> out in california to say that I'm not eligible for a guide dog because 
>> I'm
>> unable to do this properly.
>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>> Sincerely,
>> John Sanders
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Larry D. Keeler
>> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 3:43 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] mobility independence question
>>
>> Well, write offlist. MMichigan has a lot of issues in there commission 
>> and I
>> have a few questions not meant for this list. Larry D Keeler from Ann 
>> Arbor.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <starmy22 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] mobility independence question
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> My mobility instructer had read over my previous mobility report that 
>>> she
>>> had wrote up for me.
>>> This was a year ago.
>>> I live out in Michigan, and the agency  that is working with me the
>>> Michigan Commission for the blind, the mobility instructer from what I
>>> understand from what my rehabilitation counselar has told me is that in
>>> order to get training from her, it needs to be in a certin area.
>>> I'm going to be going to college with in the next month.
>>> I'm going to need some training on how to get to the various buildings.
>>> That's what the mobility instructer is there for.
>>> I'm not able to get any mobility practice and getting myself prepared to
>>> get a guide dog unless I have a mobility instructer assisting me with 
>>> the
>>> steps that are required.
>>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> John Sanders
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Michael Hingson
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:33 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] mobility independence question
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Your mobility instructor read over what report?  Also, as someone else
>>> asked, what do you mean that lights are a problem?
>>>
>>> If your mobility instructor were doing her job she would be addressing, 
>>> or
>>>
>>> have addressed issues of you working with traffic flow.  As far as going
>>> into buildings and needing assistance in getting to the right bus this 
>>> is
>>> vague at best.
>>>
>>> It sounds to me as if your instructor needs to stop making up
>>> classifications like "semi independent" and begin teaching you real
>>> mobility skills.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Hingson
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> starmy22 at gmail.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 07:41 AM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nagdu] mobility independence question
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I have a question:  My mobility instructer read over my report and she
>>> said that I'm a semiindependent.
>>> The report said that I can successfully cross at stopsigns.
>>> Lights are a  problem for me.
>>> Will a guide dog school except some one who is semi-independent?> The
>>> report did say that I use a lot of assistance with getting in to 
>>> buildings
>>>
>>> especially the bus stations and getting to the right bus numbers.
>>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> John Sanders
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