[nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy

Tue Apr 29 21:14:43 UTC 2014

When I do that, I take off Holly's harrness. Also, when I don't give her 
name, I just call her the nose!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy


> Makes perfect sense Rox.
>
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> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of The Pawpower 
> Pack
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 11:43 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
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> I'm talking specifically about Deafblind children, who explore by touch. 
> Who learn by touching  and who may not have any other opportunity to touch 
> a guide dog and thus have no understanding of what one looks like.
>
> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
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>> On Apr 29, 2014, at 10:32 AM, "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I guess I don't understand why a child with a disability gets 
>> preferential treatment with petting? It sounds sweet and all, but why not 
>> treat them the way you would any other child? They're special because 
>> they're human, not because they happen to have a disability.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla
>> Rogers
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 11:09 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
>>
>> Dear Rox,
>>
>>    Great points, and I'd never ever have a problem with a child of any 
>> disability petting my dog, so long as he isn't bouncing up and down, 
>> etc., but you're right:  I need to make what I have more attractive than 
>> being pelted.
>> Darla & Happy Huck
>>
>>
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>> Pawpower Pack
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:43 AM
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>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
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>> With Soleil, I have used petting as a practice time for self control. 
>> She loves people, and right at first, I knew that I was going to just 
>> have to restrict all petting, or use the petting as an exercise.  Since 
>> I'm Deafblind, people tend to just pet because they are not getting my 
>> attention with me by asking unless I'm with a hearing person.
>> So if I have time to allow petting, I first tell her down. I tell the 
>> person wanting to pet that she can only be pet in a down and that if she 
>> gets up, they are to stop, I thank them for helping me with her training, 
>> so they feel good.  They pet her and then in mid pet I ask her to come 
>> away and touch my hand and click and treat.  She is a lab, so would 
>> rather eat than lay and get petted.  And her getting up ends the session. 
>> If people pet without asking she will turn to me.
>> My coworkers and friends also help in this exercise as well.
>> Because I'm Deafblind and a lot of my friends are deafblind, and I work 
>> with deafblind children, she has to learn to be touched without coming 
>> unhinged with joy.  Deafblind people are a pretty tactile lot and if a 
>> deafblind child has never seen a guide dog, they can look at her— with 
>> their hands— and learn.  So far, Soleil's doing really well!
>>
>> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
>> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
>> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Apr 29, 2014, at 6:41 AM, "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Generally I just say, "No, but thank you for asking." I smile and make 
>>> it seem like them asking was a wonderful thing.  Then I move on. 
>>> Standing there will encourage a discussion or debate or whatever, moving 
>>> on indicates that you don't want to discuss your no petting rule and it 
>>> also reinforces that you need to get stuff done and don't have time for 
>>> petting.
>>>
>>> I do allow petting on occasion.  If I do I let the person know it's up 
>>> to Monty if he wants to be petted.  I give Monty his release cue and let 
>>> him approach if he wants.  Usually he will give the person a perfunctory 
>>> sniff and he's done.  Every now and then he will back away from the 
>>> person, which is kind of embarrassing, but they get it that he doesn't 
>>> want to be petted. He's not very into meet and greet with people though, 
>>> so this works.
>>>
>>> Last week I was in the grocery store and there was a Mom with about four 
>>> kids.  The kids wanted to pet Monty and asked their Mom.  Usually 
>>> parents just say the dog is working and leave it alone, but this Mom 
>>> went on a complete tirade.  I thought the kids were perfectly well 
>>> behaved in asking their Mom first if they could approach me to ask if 
>>> they could pet, but Mom really lit into them.  Then she was on to 
>>> another topic and how horrible the kids were and on and on  and on.  So 
>>> about four isles later I asked one of the kids if he would like to pet 
>>> the dog.  It made the kids day.  I can't remember the last time I've 
>>> offered petting to a kid, but I really felt bad for them.
>>>
>>> When I talk to people about guide dogs or if I'm doing a presentation or 
>>> something, I always stress that dogs are different and people are 
>>> different, but asking is always okay.  the answer might be no but 
>>> politely asking and respecting the answer is good.  It's interesting 
>>> that I rarely have issues with kids.  It's adults that have issues with 
>>> self control.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Darla Rogers
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 1:36 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
>>>
>>> Thank you Raven and Michael; I believe, and several others have also
>>> states this practice, just not to allow it while we are out working.
>>> I don't owe the general public anything; if they want to pet a dog,
>>> the shelters are crying for volunteers to socialize their dogs; on
>>> the other hand, if it raises money for my school. <tongue firmly in
>>> cheek> Very Gratefully, Darla & Handsome Huck
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
>>> Hingson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 12:40 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I do not permit anyone to pet Africa while she is in harness.  If
>>> people want to pet her and I have the time I will remove her harness
>>> and then allow petting.  If I do not have time I politely explain
>>> that while the harness is on she is working and cannot be petted and
>>> that I do not have time to remove it now.  Especially when people go
>>> along with my wishes I thank them very much.  If people still insist on 
>>> petting Africa I will get more stern.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Hingson
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla
>>> Rogers
>>> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 10:22 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>              The Handsome Huck is a people magnet and peo9ple are
>>> magnets for him; there is some petting--last time going through a
>>> revolving door--and I used to let him sit and be petted, but I don't
>>> believe this is in the best interest of our working relationship?
>>>
>>>              Any ideas?  Strategies?  Explanations?
>>>
>>> Darla & Mister Socialite
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Darla J. Rogers
>>>
>>> djrogers0628 at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
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