[nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
Kristen
kskristen at gmail.com
Wed Apr 30 13:19:54 UTC 2014
I agree with you completely; I'm having trouble understanding the
changing the name thing. My family calls Corvette Cory for
short, and he has already starting coming to that. You wouldn't
want to confuse them more with a totally different name. And, as
you said, the dog would still know someone is talking to it. You
still can give the correct name, but politely ask them not to
talk to your guide, which will educate them at the same time.
--
Kristen
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From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
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Date sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 19:31:55 -0700
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
Honestly, I don't get the name game. If you talk to or about a
dog, the dog
is smart enough to know, regardless of if the name is used.
Furthermore, as
others have already pointed out, it only takes the dog so long to
figure it
out if you use another name.
When people ask about the name of your dog, they are not trying
to make
trouble. If you think that the person is going to use the name,
then you
could say something like, "My dog is named ..' but please don't
talk to
him/her." Some people are going to talk to your dog regardless of
what you
say or if you give the name. I would rather give the name and
have to
explain to the person than not give the name; otherwise, people
will never
learn. I have told a lot of people that my dog is named Lexia,
many of whom
were complete strangers who I probably will never see again, so
it does not
really matter. Only a few of the people with whom I interact on
a regular
basis talk to Lexia, and they only do it when I say it is okay to
talk to
her or when she is not in harness.
I usually let people pet Lexia in harness if they ask. Luckily,
I have not
had too many people try to pet her without asking. I usually do
not let
people pet her if we are standing up, especially if we are about
to go
somewhere any minute. When people pet Lexia, she is in a sit or
preferably a
down position, and she stays by me. I do not allow her to crawl
toward the
person who is petting her. If she does, then I gently pull her
back. If the
behavior continues, then the visiting session is over.
I don't really like little kids petting Lexia, particularly the
ones who get
excited as soon as they see her. However, on occasion, I do hear
the
opposite where the child tells the parent that it is a working
dog and not
to bother it, which I find quite amusing.
I used to have a sign to the harness handle. I don't remember
what it said.
It did not really help. The people who want to pet your dog are
going to pet
you dog regardless of if there is a sign, so the best that you
can do is ask
them not to pet your dog and do something, such as move away, if
they don't
listen. You can also try to train your dog to ignore people.
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla
Rogers
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 6:24 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
Dear Rox'e,
Thank you so much for sharing a whole different perspective
on
petting and setting up one's dog to respond to what you need and
not what
you don't, and it surely helps to have cooperative coworkers who
understand
and support what you are doing.
Darla & Happy Huck
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of The
Pawpower Pack
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 10:19 AM
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Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
I have never given a false name for my dogs. I would think
they'd just hear
me cueing my dog using her real name and would know it anyway.
Also, I'd
probably forget and give different names to the same person.
lol.
Part of the work I do with my dogs is setting they up for this
exact
situation. If someone calls Laveau's name and she does not know
them well,
she will ignore it. If she knows them, she will let me know that
someone we
know is calling her and I can choose to have her take me to them
or just go
on our way.
Soleil is learning the same skills, and my friends, coworkers and
interpreters help me by setting up situations like are being
described.
Since I can't hear, I can't police Soleil's interaction with the
public like
a hearing person. I have to trust my dog to be able to work
through
distractions like that.
Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
Pawpower4me at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 29, 2014, at 9:35 AM, "Larry D. Keeler"
<lkeeler at comcast.net
wrote:
Have not changed my pet policy. I'll tell folks I know her name
and
sometimes I'll take her harrness off so she can interact with
others.
However, I usually ignore folks whom I don't know. I don't make
up names
often although I have been known to.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Raven Tolliver"
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Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
Oh yes! It annoys me to no end when people ask what my dog's
name is.
I just tell them his name is K, or the most comical one I've
been
using is Celestial Seasonings. Got the idea from a woman whose
golden's name is Lipton. So cute. But I tell people Celestial
Seasonings, and no one is inclined to even call him. Probably
'cause
they know I'm bs-ing them. Most of my acquaintances and
classmates
here on campus don't even know the Golden Guy's name.
On 4/29/14, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
I was very strict about not letting anyone pet Viva when I first
came home with her, but I've relaxed my stance since then.
Obviously
I don't let anyone touch her when we're working, but if we're
just
sitting somewhere and someone asks to pet her, I will generally
let
them. I do tell them that if she gets too excited, then the
meet and
greet is over. it's also a great way for me to teach her
self-control and obedience since I'll make her lay down and
stay.
Minh
On 4/29/14, The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com> wrote:
With Soleil, I have used petting as a practice time for self
control.
She
loves people, and right at first, I knew that I was going to
just
have to restrict all petting, or use the petting as an exercise.
Since I'm Deafblind, people tend to just pet because they are
not
getting my attention with me by asking unless I'm with a hearing
person.
So if I have time to allow petting, I first tell her down. I
tell
the person wanting to pet that she can only be pet in a down and
that if she gets up, they are to stop, I thank them for helping
me
with her training, so they feel good. They pet her and then in
mid
pet I ask her to come away and touch my hand and click and
treat.
She is a lab, so would rather eat than lay and get petted. And
her
getting up ends the session. If people pet without asking she
will
turn to me.
My coworkers and friends also help in this exercise as well.
Because I'm Deafblind and a lot of my friends are deafblind, and
I
work with deafblind children, she has to learn to be touched
without coming unhinged with joy. Deafblind people are a pretty
tactile lot and if a deafblind child has never seen a guide dog,
they can look at her-- with their
hands--
and learn. So far, Soleil's doing really well!
Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
Pawpower4me at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 29, 2014, at 6:41 AM, "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
wrote:
Generally I just say, "No, but thank you for asking." I smile
and
make it seem like them asking was a wonderful thing. Then I
move
on. Standing there will encourage a discussion or debate or
whatever, moving on indicates that you don't want to discuss
your
no petting rule and it also reinforces that you need to get
stuff
done and don't have time for petting.
I do allow petting on occasion. If I do I let the person know
it's up to Monty if he wants to be petted. I give Monty his
release cue and let him approach if he wants. Usually he will
give the person a perfunctory sniff and he's done. Every now
and
then he will back away from the person, which is kind of
embarrassing, but they get it that he doesn't want to be petted.
He's not very into meet and greet with people though, so this
works.
Last week I was in the grocery store and there was a Mom with
about four kids. The kids wanted to pet Monty and asked their
Mom. Usually parents just say the dog is working and leave it
alone, but this Mom went on a complete tirade. I thought the
kids
were perfectly well behaved in asking their Mom first if they
could approach me to ask if they could pet, but Mom really lit
into them. Then she was on to another topic and how horrible
the
kids were and on and on and on. So about four isles later I
asked one of the kids if he would like to pet the dog. It made
the kids day. I can't remember the last time I've offered
petting
to a kid, but I really felt bad for them.
When I talk to people about guide dogs or if I'm doing a
presentation or something, I always stress that dogs are
different
and people are different, but asking is always okay. the answer
might be no but politely asking and respecting the answer is
good.
It's interesting that I rarely have issues with kids. It's
adults
that have issues with self control.
Julie
-----Original Message----- From: Darla Rogers
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 1:36 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
Thank you Raven and Michael; I believe, and several others have
also states this practice, just not to allow it while we are out
working.
I don't owe the general public anything; if they want to pet a
dog, the shelters are crying for volunteers to socialize their
dogs; on the other hand, if it raises money for my school.
<tongue
firmly in cheek> Very Gratefully, Darla & Handsome Huck
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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Michael
Hingson
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 12:40 AM
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Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
Hi,
I do not permit anyone to pet Africa while she is in harness.
If
people
want to pet her and I have the time I will remove her harness
and
then allow petting. If I do not have time I politely explain
that
while the harness is on she is working and cannot be petted and
that I do not have time to remove it now. Especially when
people
go along with my wishes I thank them very much. If people still
insist on petting Africa I will get more stern.
Best,
Michael Hingson
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla
Rogers
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 10:22 PM
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Users
Subject: [nagdu] Changing my Petting Policy
Hi everyone,
The Handsome Huck is a people magnet and peo9ple
are
magnets for him; there is some petting--last time going through
a
revolving door--and I used to let him sit and be petted, but I
don't believe
this
is
in the best interest of our working relationship?
Any ideas? Strategies? Explanations?
Darla & Mister Socialite
Darla J. Rogers
djrogers0628 at gmail.com
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