[nagdu] Fwd: guide dogs in urope, and sleeping in?

Thu Aug 7 16:29:28 UTC 2014

Thanks for forwarding on my email Nicole.  I sent another one out the other day that never appeared and I guess the same issue happened, just hitting reply in my webmail account instead of reply all. Oops. Oh well, the other was a response to Dan's email regarding poodles (I'm sure you all know how I would have responsed) and would have probably just got me in trouble with the moderator anyways. :)

Cheers 
Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Nicole Torcolini via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thu, 07 Aug 2014 08:36:36 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [nagdu] Fwd:  guide dogs in urope, and sleeping in?

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From: GARY STEEVES <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
Date: August 6, 2014 at 9:09:43 AM PDT
To: Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dogs in urope, and sleeping in?

Hello:

I agree with Nicole. There seem to be a few people on the list that are so quick to throw out the "then you shouldn't get a dog" statement. First there was Dan saying just because some of us prefer certain breeds or maybe don't want a shedding dog we shouldn't have a dog. Now I'm reading if I like to sleep in I shouldn't get a dog. In my mind a statement like that is not putting yourself in anothers boots but just looking at it from one's own framework. The better information is approximately how long can a dog go without being relieved. Often those people who say they like to sleep in are the same people who go to bed at midnight or later. The odd time I haven't taken Bogart out until 10:30 or 11am and if I just told you that you might freak out about how vruel I'm being to my dog but if you asked clarifying questions you'd learn that he was last out after midnight or something like that.

Rebecca I don't disagree that if you have a small baby and a dog it all could be too much and that is worth sharing with others but to tell people they shouldn't have a dog because they have a small baby, because they stay up late because this or that isn't productive. Telling people that these are issues you've encountered in your life and they should consider them before getting a dog is productive and useful.

I know before I got Bogart I was very anxious about getting a dog and generally, this list was very helpful in lowering my level of anxiety but our goal should be to inform potential dog owners of all the variables that effected us since having our dogs and see if any of those things hit home for them to help them make the best decision.

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Nicole Torcolini via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: 'Star Gazer' <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>, 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>, 'Raven Tolliver' <ravend729 at gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, 04 Aug 2014 22:14:36 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dogs in urope, and sleeping in?

Rebecca,

   Why do you have to compare everything to children? And why do you
turn every question into "maybe you should not get a dog"? Sometimes, you
right, but, a lot of the time, you make things sound a lot worse than they
really are. Everyone knows that not getting a dog is an option, and they do
not need it dangled in front of their face every time that they ask a
question. Yes, maybe having a dog was not worth it for you, but it is for
some people.
   As for how long a dog can hold it, as others have said, it depends.
Generally, I feed and water Lexia three to four hours before I go to bed,
and then I take Lexia out just before I go to bed. She can hold it for ...
Say ... 12 hours, maybe, but I usually do not sleep that long anyway. I do
not let her drink that much after she comes in for the last time, just
enough to wet her whistle. Also, remember that a dog is not consuming food
or water while sleeping, so, as long as a dog empties the bladder just
before going to bed, a dog can usually hold it for quite a while. Some older
dogs do have problems with leaking, but there are medicines to help with
that.

Nicole and Lexia who likes to sleep in

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer via
nagdu
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 7:11 PM
To: 'Raven Tolliver'; 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dogs in urope, and sleeping in?

       Or, you do what a lot of us do which is stumble outside, let
the dog go potty, then go back inside and go to bed. 
In all seriousness, if sleeping in matters to you don't get a dog. I no
longer use a dog, partly because I discovered that after being up a good
portion of the night with my first child, getting up to take a dog out was
its own level of hell. 
What we can and can't tolerate, and what we will and won't tolerate varies
depending on many factors. If you need or want to sleep in, know that and
don't let others convince you it isn't valid. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
via nagdu
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 9:53 PM
To: Cecilia Martínez; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dogs in urope, and sleeping in?

Ceci,
I have an answer to your second question.
How long a dog can hold their water depends on how old the dog is , how much
they drink, and if their are any health problems. A healthy adult dog can
hold it for up to 18 hours. Trust me, a college kid who partakes in the
night life, stays up late and sleeps in late would know! Just take 'em
outside right before you go to bed.
If your dog is an adolescent, I don't believe they can hold it quite as
long. But if your dog can hold it for an entire flight to Europe, it should
be able to wait while you sleep in.
Usually, dogs will let you know if they really need to go out. Worst case,
your dog will wake you, and you'll have to run outside right quick before
returning to bed.

> On 8/4/14, Cecilia Martínez <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello, I have two questions, unrelated to each other.
> 1: I was wondering, has any of you gone alone with your guide dog to 
> urope? If so, how do you manage to cross the streats?
> I'm asking this because in some european countries like France for 
> example, people don't cross in corners, but in the middle of the 
> sidewalk, where a place to cross is marked on the flor.
> 
> 2 This is a silly question, but what do you do if you want to sleep in 
> when you have your dog?
> How much time can he/she hold it?
> Thanks
> Ceci
> 
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