[nagdu] petting guide dog question

Tue Dec 2 05:23:03 UTC 2014

JMHO, this is not the type of thing for which I would give a correction,
particularly when practicing with people who understand what is going on and
are not going to ask you what in the world you are doing. In order for
corrections to be affective, the dog has to understand exactly what it is
that he is doing for which he is being corrected. Also, even if the dog does
understand why he is being corrected, the dog is learning based on fear,
which is not a good thing. Most of the time that I use corrections, I praise
and/or reward for something else immediately after the correction. However,
if there is going to be some kind of reward, why not just skip the
correction and tell the dog to do whatever it is for which he is going to be
rewarded?

Nicole

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
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Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 7:47 AM
To: L Gwizdak; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] petting guide dog question

I do what Lyn does--treat petting as a distraction.  I was happy to get some
drive-by petting in training; it gave me a chance to show Krokus that he has
to ignore it.  I even asked a couple classmates to give him a pat in
harness, so I could see to it he didn't get excited about it.  I figured
other TSE students wouldn't be offended if I corrected my dog.
Krokus is a beautiful dog.  I know people on the bus will try to pet him
when we stand up to get off.  So we work to stay calm about it.
Tracy
----- Original Message -----
From: "L Gwizdak via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "John Sanders" <starmy22 at gmail.com>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the National
Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] petting guide dog question

> Hi John,
> As far as petting guide dogs, I learned long time ago that we can't 
> control other people anymore than we can control a loose dog or squirrel.
> So, I treat this issue just like any other distraction we encoounter 
> as we walk with our guide dogs.  People like to do what I call "drive 
> by petting".  I simply teach my dogs that this is to be ignored as we 
> are walking.  Dog gets corrected just as if he was showing interest in 
> other animals or things as we walk.
>
> I do allow people to pet my dogs if we are standing around talking and 
> I'm not holding the harness handle. My dogs learn that they can either 
> sit or stand but not go wacky.  If I want to let a friend play a bit 
> with my dog, I take the harness off.  This works for me and all my 
> dogs so far.  I don't let others interact with a brand new dog for a 
> time until I know the dog better and it has had time to settle in with 
> me as "top dog".  I am a consistant handler and my dogs all learn 
> quickly what is OK to do and when.
>
> I'm leaving this Monday to fly to TSE. Did I read that you were going 
> to Pilot soon for a first dog?  If so, good luck to you.  You will 
> learn all you need at the school.  Be proactive and ask questions.  
> Pick the brains of retrains there.  But do follow what your instructor 
> says.  He or she knows your dog well and they can give you insight in 
> how to handle YOUR dog.  Good luck to you.
>
> I will be MIA on all the lists while I am gone.
>
> Lyn soon to have new dog!!!!
>
> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is 
> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Sanders via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 7:40 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] petting guide dog question
>
>
>> Hi,
>> I have a question: I know that this topic has already been talked 
>> about so I do apologize for reposting it.
>> I had talked with my parents and they said that they were ok with me 
>> getting a guide dog.
>> My mom had asked me, if me and the guide dog were just sitting there 
>> and the guide dog wasn't working, what would I say to some one who 
>> wanted to pet him?
>> I remember a lot of people saying that while the guide dog is 
>> working, people are not supposed to pet him.
>> I'm just wondering:  when your not working with the guide dog, do you 
>> allow other people to pet them?
>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>> Sincerely,
>> John Sanders
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