[nagdu] One Small Victory

Mon Dec 8 14:38:04 UTC 2014

Can we please change the subject name. 
Thank you!
Marsha, Moderator 

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> On Dec 7, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Daryl Lang via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> This brings up an interesting question. When we go to New York, we will be doing a New York City gospel music tour. This concludes at a church. Would this fall under the ADA? Or a religious exception? What are your thoughts?
> 
>> On December 6, 2014 5:29:52 PM MST, Marion Gwizdala via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Nicole and All,
>> 
>>    Even though it might be argued that, because a person prays in their
>> car, it is a place of worship, it could be argued that anywhere a
>> person
>> prays is a place of worship. If one prays in a restaurant, would it be
>> considered a place of worship? What about the meetings of a
>> governmental
>> entity in which there is an invocation? If a religious service is held
>> in a
>> park or someone goes there to pray and meditate, would it then be
>> considered
>> a place of worship? The Americans with Disabilities Act exempts
>> "religious
>> organizations or entities controlled by religious organizations". Even
>> if
>> the driver of the taxicab were a cleric, the taxicab would not be a
>> religious organization or entity controlled by a religious
>> organization.
>> Following is the text of 42 USC 12187 which applies to such entities:.
>> 
>> The provisions of this title shall not apply to private clubs or
>> establishments exempted from coverage under title II of the Civil
>> Rights Act
>> of 1964 (42
>> U.S.C. 2000- a(e)) or to religious organizations or entities controlled
>> by
>> religious organizations, including places of worship.
>> 
>> 
>>    By definition, a taxicab is a place of public accommodation under
>> United States law. In cases in which one's religious tenets are not
>> congruent with law, the law preempts the religious tenet. In other
>> words,
>> one's freedom of religion ends where the law begins. If, for instance,
>> one's
>> religious tenets allowed for human sacrifice, the law prohibits
>> homicide, so
>> the religious tenet is illegal. Attached to this message is a legal
>> opinion
>> from the City solicitor of Cincinnati concerning taxicabs, allergies,
>> and
>> religion. This is only one opinion and this opinion is only a valid
>> opinion
>> for the City of Cincinnati; however, it is a very sound opinion to
>> guide
>> other jurisdictions.
>> 
>> Fraternally yours,
>> 
>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc.
>> National Federation of the Blind
>> (813) 626-2789
>> (888) 624-3841 (Hotline)
>> President at nagdu.org
>> http://www.nagdu.org
>> 
>> High expectations create unlimited potential for the blind!
>> 
>> .
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole
>> Torcolini
>> via nagdu
>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 1:46 PM
>> To: 'Dan Weiner'; 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>> Guide Dog
>> Users'; 'Tracy Carcione'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] One Small Victory
>> 
>> I am not the moderator, but, to Dan and all, please be more careful
>> when
>> making statements about that. I don't know that much about the Muslim
>> religion, but I know a little bit. It has nothing to do with soap and
>> water.
>> Dogs--or their saliva, I don't know which--are considered impure by the
>> Muslim religion. Also, I seem to recall hearing something about Muslims
>> praying multiple times daily, and they pray in their cars, so their
>> cars are
>> considered places of worship, and having a dog in their cars would make
>> their cars impure.
>> 
>> Nicole
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Weiner
>> via
>> nagdu
>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 9:43 AM
>> To: 'Tracy Carcione'; 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
>> Guide
>> Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] One Small Victory
>> 
>> Those guys must have never heard of soap and water.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
>> Carcione
>> via nagdu
>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 12:39 PM
>> To: Debby Phillips; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
>> Guide Dog
>> Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] One Small Victory
>> 
>> I think many Muslims have a taboo against being licked by a dog. 
>> That's
>> probably why he didn't want the dog's mouth near him.  I've had drivers
>> tell
>> me the same, and I do my best to keep my dog's head near me and away
>> from
>> the driver.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Debby Phillips via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "Dudley Hanks" <dhanks at dudley-hanks.com>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>;
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 9:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] One Small Victory
>> 
>> 
>>> What was his reason for not allowing you in to his cab? Did he just 
>>> say no? Or did he give some reason for not letting you in? I'VE never
>> 
>>> been denied a ride but one time this cab driver said that he didn't 
>>> want my dog's mouth near him.  So I held her face in my hands and 
>>> petted her which she didn't mind.  But I thought that was kind of a 
>>> strange request-it wasn't like we were in the front seat and my dog 
>>> was
>> going to lick him.
>>> Lol.    Peace,    Debby
>>> 
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