[nagdu] Teaching Relieving was RE: trouble with relieving

[Julie J.]

I've been thinking about the relieving on concrete issue for some time. 
When I had Jetta trained, I specifically requested that she never be 
relieved on concrete.  My theory is that if a dog only goes on 
grass/woodchips/gravel that she will associate those surfaces with relieving 
and will not relieve on concrete...ever not even in harness.

I can see how pick up would probably be easier on concrete and there are 
definitely situations where concrete relieving is a must like folks who live 
or travel to really big cities.  I'd rather get a root canal than visit 
Chicago. *smile*  So that just isn't a factor for me.

What do you guys think?   Am I nutters?  Or is concrete relieving in some 
way contributing to relieving on route on the sidewalk?

Curiously,
Julie


-----Original Message----- 
From: Nicole Torcolini via nagdu
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:30 AM
To: 'Lori Dent' ; 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users' ; 'Vivianna'
Subject: [nagdu] Teaching Relieving was RE: trouble with relieving

I don't mean to bash  Pilot Dogs, but, JMHO, what they do is just out
irresponsible. People need to learn to pick up after their dogs,
particularly if someone has never had a dog. At GDB, they had a concrete
relieving area. At first, the trainers would tell us when our dogs were
going  and then pick up using shovels because the dogs had messed up
relieving schedules from being in the kennels during training. However, they
did tell us how to tell when our dogs were doing what, and we transitioned
to knowing what our dogs were doing and picking it up ourselves pretty fast.
If a dog will not go on concrete, it may be worth trying grass,
bark, gravel, or anything other than concrete. During my class, some of the
dogs had what I called "grass rights", meaning that they were allowed to go
on the grass instead of on the concrete because they just would not go on
the concrete.

Nicole

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lori Dent via
nagdu
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:56 PM
To: Vivianna; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] trouble with relieving

Hi John,


I'm sorry your having relieving problems with Molly . I know while your at
Pilot dogs and the dogs are relieving in the relieving area you don't have
to pick up after your dog because the trainers  spray down the relieving
area with a hose on a regular bases. And I know it's hard to tell if your
dog is relieving or not when there are bars  all around the relieving area.
But you should be able to  tell if Molly is moving around or just standing
there right?And if Molly is just standing there you got to get her moving
and walking around so she will go.

Pilot does have a lecture on relieving your dog and how to tell if your dog
is going or not and how to pick up after your dog. But unfortunately , the
trainers don't do the relieving lecture  in the beginning of training which
they should but does do it later in your training.

But in the mean time, ask your trainer if you can relieve your dog somewhere
else so you can run your hand down your dogs back to see if your dog is
sqwotting   and if so, then you can position yourself behind the dog so when

she's done you can bend over and pick up the poop with the bag over your
hand and then  remove the bag from your hand tie it up and throw the bag
away.

I think Pilot needs to redesign there releive area for the students and
dogs. They need to remove the current relief  area they have and maybe put
down gravel instead  for the dogs that way the dogs can relieve on the
gravel and the student can learn how to  tell if their dog is going or not
and how to pick up after your dogs while in class.

Now I do know, you have to carry pick up bags while out on walks right? Does
Molly relieve  while in harness on a walk? If so, you are responsible to
pick up after your dog then right. Good  luck with this. Take care.

Lori and the Gipper


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