[nagdu] Teaching Relieving was RE: trouble with relieving

Thu Dec 11 14:05:50 UTC 2014

Julie,
I totally agree with you. I really did not like having my dog relieve on concrete in the beginning of training. As soon as I could, I started to relieve Pascal in the grass. I always try to find grass when I have to relieve him.
I also liked to pick up after my dog, that way I could tell of any changes in his stool. It felt weird that the trainers picked up after the dogs for the first few days. I guess they didn't want to overwhelm us, but I hope that's changed now at GDB. 
Deanna 

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via nagdu
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 6:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Teaching Relieving was RE: trouble with relieving

I've been thinking about the relieving on concrete issue for some time. 
When I had Jetta trained, I specifically requested that she never be relieved on concrete.  My theory is that if a dog only goes on grass/woodchips/gravel that she will associate those surfaces with relieving and will not relieve on concrete...ever not even in harness.

I can see how pick up would probably be easier on concrete and there are definitely situations where concrete relieving is a must like folks who live or travel to really big cities.  I'd rather get a root canal than visit Chicago. *smile*  So that just isn't a factor for me.

What do you guys think?   Am I nutters?  Or is concrete relieving in some 
way contributing to relieving on route on the sidewalk?

Curiously,
Julie

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From: Nicole Torcolini via nagdu
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:30 AM
To: 'Lori Dent' ; 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users' ; 'Vivianna'
Subject: [nagdu] Teaching Relieving was RE: trouble with relieving

I don't mean to bash  Pilot Dogs, but, JMHO, what they do is just out irresponsible. People need to learn to pick up after their dogs, particularly if someone has never had a dog. At GDB, they had a concrete relieving area. At first, the trainers would tell us when our dogs were going  and then pick up using shovels because the dogs had messed up relieving schedules from being in the kennels during training. However, they did tell us how to tell when our dogs were doing what, and we transitioned to knowing what our dogs were doing and picking it up ourselves pretty fast.
If a dog will not go on concrete, it may be worth trying grass, bark, gravel, or anything other than concrete. During my class, some of the dogs had what I called "grass rights", meaning that they were allowed to go on the grass instead of on the concrete because they just would not go on the concrete.

Nicole

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lori Dent via nagdu
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:56 PM
To: Vivianna; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] trouble with relieving

Hi John,

I'm sorry your having relieving problems with Molly . I know while your at Pilot dogs and the dogs are relieving in the relieving area you don't have to pick up after your dog because the trainers  spray down the relieving area with a hose on a regular bases. And I know it's hard to tell if your dog is relieving or not when there are bars  all around the relieving area.
But you should be able to  tell if Molly is moving around or just standing there right?And if Molly is just standing there you got to get her moving and walking around so she will go.

Pilot does have a lecture on relieving your dog and how to tell if your dog is going or not and how to pick up after your dog. But unfortunately , the trainers don't do the relieving lecture  in the beginning of training which they should but does do it later in your training.

But in the mean time, ask your trainer if you can relieve your dog somewhere else so you can run your hand down your dogs back to see if your dog is
sqwotting   and if so, then you can position yourself behind the dog so when

she's done you can bend over and pick up the poop with the bag over your hand and then  remove the bag from your hand tie it up and throw the bag away.

I think Pilot needs to redesign there releive area for the students and dogs. They need to remove the current relief  area they have and maybe put down gravel instead  for the dogs that way the dogs can relieve on the gravel and the student can learn how to  tell if their dog is going or not and how to pick up after your dogs while in class.

Now I do know, you have to carry pick up bags while out on walks right? Does Molly relieve  while in harness on a walk? If so, you are responsible to pick up after your dog then right. Good  luck with this. Take care.

Lori and the Gipper

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