[nagdu] Retired Guides; Do the same access laws apply?

[Nicole Torcolini]

Agreed, and apologies if my previous message came across wrong.

Nicole

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan via
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Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:52 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retired Guides; Do the same access laws apply?

While I'd never bring my retired guide, that is to say, fully retired, not
working, doesn't want to work, anywhere and claim that he's anything but
what he is, when I had retired Karl, there were at least a couple of places
where they told me that Karl was welcome to come along if I wanted to bring
him, after his retirement. Mostly because they already knew me and knew him.
Interestingly, and very unusual, the couple times I needed to take Karl or
Chet to the vet, I'd call a cab and ask if they could send someone who
wouldn't mind my retired guide dog going along, and everyone was good with
it. I believe behavior *does* play a role though, but more important is how
we represent our dogs. I think there's a lot of difference between claiming
your dog is a service dog when he is not, versus saying, yes, my dog was
formerly a service dog but he's retired and doesn't work anymore, thank you
for allowing me to take him in, no problem if you don't. 

-
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: 814-860-3194
Mobile: 814-431-0962
Email: buddy at brannan.name



> On Dec 30, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry, but behavior does not make a difference. If we want people 
> to respect the laws, we need to set a good example.
> 
> Nicole
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Debby 
> Phillips via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:05 PM
> To: Buddy Brannan; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of 
> Guide Dog Users; chaimsegal at sbcglobal.net; nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retired Guides; Do the same access laws apply?
> 
> Hi Buddy, I agree with not.  I understand the desire sometimes to 
> bring my retired guide places, but he is not a guide anymore, and 
> therefore I would be guilty of what other people do, pawning their 
> pets off on an unsuspecting public.  The only difference is that Lamar 
> is more well-behaved than many non service dogs I've encountered.
> 
> Well, guess I'd better go and take Neena for a walk.  It's now like 21 
> degrees, and it's not going to get any warmer today.  In fact, soon 
> the temperature will start to dip again and it will be in the single 
> digits again.  Tomorrow it's going to be something like 12 or 13.  
> Call me a wimp if you want to, but I don't like
> walking in those cold temps.    Blessings,    Debby and Neena
> 
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