[nagdu] Retired Guides; Do the same access laws apply?

[Tracy Carcione]

But you could, if you wanted.  Julie J's argument is an interesting one I 
never thought of before.  If, say, I occasionally worked my retired guide to 
some place in the neighborhood, he'd still technically be a service dog.  I 
think it might give my current guide kinnipchins, but it could certainly be 
done.
Tracy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole Torcolini via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "'Julie J.'" <julielj at neb.rr.com>; "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National 
Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "'Chaim B. Segal'" 
<chaimsegal at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retired Guides; Do the same access laws apply?


> Since dogs that are trained at schools are mostly done with their training
> when given to their handlers, I do not think that as many people who 
> receive
> dogs from schools work a new dog and a partially retired dog.
>
> Nicole
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via
> nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:21 PM
> To: Chaim B. Segal; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide 
> Dog
> Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retired Guides; Do the same access laws apply?
>
> The factors that make a dog a service dog are:
> *is the dog individually trained to mitigate a disability?
> a retired guide is still trained to do specific tasks.  If the training is
> kept up and the dog can reliably perform disability related tasks, then 
> this
> item is met.
> *does the handler have a disability?
> the answer here is yes
> *does the dog perform tasks that mitigate the handler's disability?
> the answer here is maybe.   If you still work the dog sometimes or 
> alternate
>
> between dogs, then I'd say both are service dogs.  If you never work the
> dog, then he's not mitigating your disability and is no longer a service
> dog.
>
> HTH
> Julie
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> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Chaim B. Segal via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:19 PM
> To: seeingeye-l at list.web.net
> Cc: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Retired Guides; Do the same access laws apply?
>
> Hi All on both lists:
>
> Chaim Segal here. It looks as though I will likely need to move out of my
> current house in the nearly immediate future, as my mother needs to enter
> senior care. At present time, my current earnings are not enough to 
> sustain
> rent in our current town-house. Therefore, I need to weigh my options when
> moving myself and my wife out into an apartment. Our current apartment
> manager has been gracious, and has not charged us an extra pet deposit for
> Keeper (my third guide) once he retired. We only pay a deposit for our cat
> which my wife and I purchased as a kitten around six years ago. This being
> said, I have been hearing conflicting information throughout the years.
>
> At some point back in the 90s, I thought I once heard that a retired guide
> dog has the same access rules regarding rent and access that a currently
> working guide has. I was surprised to hear that. I was not considering the
> fact that I would need to know for sure some day.
>
>   Earlier this year, my mother and I attempted to take both Keeper and
> Yahtzee (current guide) to the vet on paratransit. The driver insisted 
> that
> Keeper must be in a carrier while riding the bus. Officials at Greater
> Dayton RTA backed her up. At the time, I did not pursue the matter, 
> because
> the driver in question is uncomfortable with dogs to begin with.
>
> So, I now need to know one way or the other, in order to determine how 
> many
> pet deposits will need to be paid. The best I could hope for is to find a
> place where pets are welcome without a silly deposit or fee. But, is 
> Keeper
> considered a pet, or does he still have higher status despite his
> retirement?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chaim
>
> Chaim B. Segal
> Customer Service Representative
> Sinclair Community College
> E-mail: chaimsegal at sbcglobal.net
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