[nagdu] Retired Guides; Do the same access laws apply?

Wed Dec 31 14:28:30 UTC 2014

I'm also someone who is currently working 2 dogs.  Laveau does about 10-20 percent and Soleil does the rest. 
I think this pattern ov working 2 dogs— not at once but working one sometimes and the other other times is more common with Owner Trainers but I'm sure people with program dogs have done it also.  

 Rox and the kitchen Bitches: 
Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
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> On Dec 31, 2014, at 7:24 AM, Tracy Carcione via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> But you could, if you wanted.  Julie J's argument is an interesting one I never thought of before.  If, say, I occasionally worked my retired guide to some place in the neighborhood, he'd still technically be a service dog.  I think it might give my current guide kinnipchins, but it could certainly be done.
> Tracy
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole Torcolini via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "'Julie J.'" <julielj at neb.rr.com>; "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "'Chaim B. Segal'" <chaimsegal at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 5:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retired Guides; Do the same access laws apply?
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>> Since dogs that are trained at schools are mostly done with their training
>> when given to their handlers, I do not think that as many people who receive
>> dogs from schools work a new dog and a partially retired dog.
>> 
>> Nicole
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via
>> nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:21 PM
>> To: Chaim B. Segal; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retired Guides; Do the same access laws apply?
>> 
>> The factors that make a dog a service dog are:
>> *is the dog individually trained to mitigate a disability?
>> a retired guide is still trained to do specific tasks.  If the training is
>> kept up and the dog can reliably perform disability related tasks, then this
>> item is met.
>> *does the handler have a disability?
>> the answer here is yes
>> *does the dog perform tasks that mitigate the handler's disability?
>> the answer here is maybe.   If you still work the dog sometimes or alternate
>> 
>> between dogs, then I'd say both are service dogs.  If you never work the
>> dog, then he's not mitigating your disability and is no longer a service
>> dog.
>> 
>> HTH
>> Julie
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>> -----Original Message----- From: Chaim B. Segal via nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:19 PM
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>> Cc: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] Retired Guides; Do the same access laws apply?
>> 
>> Hi All on both lists:
>> 
>> Chaim Segal here. It looks as though I will likely need to move out of my
>> current house in the nearly immediate future, as my mother needs to enter
>> senior care. At present time, my current earnings are not enough to sustain
>> rent in our current town-house. Therefore, I need to weigh my options when
>> moving myself and my wife out into an apartment. Our current apartment
>> manager has been gracious, and has not charged us an extra pet deposit for
>> Keeper (my third guide) once he retired. We only pay a deposit for our cat
>> which my wife and I purchased as a kitten around six years ago. This being
>> said, I have been hearing conflicting information throughout the years.
>> 
>> At some point back in the 90s, I thought I once heard that a retired guide
>> dog has the same access rules regarding rent and access that a currently
>> working guide has. I was surprised to hear that. I was not considering the
>> fact that I would need to know for sure some day.
>> 
>>  Earlier this year, my mother and I attempted to take both Keeper and
>> Yahtzee (current guide) to the vet on paratransit. The driver insisted that
>> Keeper must be in a carrier while riding the bus. Officials at Greater
>> Dayton RTA backed her up. At the time, I did not pursue the matter, because
>> the driver in question is uncomfortable with dogs to begin with.
>> 
>> So, I now need to know one way or the other, in order to determine how many
>> pet deposits will need to be paid. The best I could hope for is to find a
>> place where pets are welcome without a silly deposit or fee. But, is Keeper
>> considered a pet, or does he still have higher status despite his
>> retirement?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Chaim
>> 
>> Chaim B. Segal
>> Customer Service Representative
>> Sinclair Community College
>> E-mail: chaimsegal at sbcglobal.net
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