[nagdu] Leash guiding WAS: re3 ,Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs

Daryl Marie crazymusician at shaw.ca
Fri Feb 21 19:54:53 UTC 2014 

I think Jenny intuitively picked it up... leastwise my training didn't cover it and my trainer didn't mention it at all.  While we were in training, if Jenny was with me without the trainer, she had to wear an "I'm in training" jacket, and I was not allowed to give her guide commands, but I had to use my cane.  I went shopping in a mall the week before graduation, and she did everything as though she were in harness.  I started to go down a path I don't usually go, and Jenny turned her head toward my leg and started walking slower, as if to say "I'll go here if you want, but are you sure this is where YOU want to go?"  It isn't something I actively encouraged, but I always praised her when she found bus stops and escalators and doors when on leash like that, giving her big pets and joking with her that she wasn't "on the clock."

Daryl
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From: Jenine Stanley <jeninems at wowway.com>
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Leash guiding WAS:   re3 ,Age of Qualifying Guide Dogs

This really depends on the student, the dog and the student’s prior experience. Initially it took me all of 3 weeks during a 3.5 week class. I’ve seen people getting their first dog though pick it up right away.
Jenine Stanley
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On Feb 21, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Darla Rogers <djrogers0628 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Jenine,
> 
> 	Thank you for explaining that so well; can you give an average or
> approximation on how long it takes a student to learn it?
> Darla & Happy Huck
> 
> 
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> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 10:27 AM
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> 
> To my knowledge, Guide Dog Foundation is the only school to formally teach
> leash guiding. We do so with many caveats. 
> 
> 1. Leash guiding should only be used in familiar, preferable indoor areas or
> in extreme emergencies such as a harness breaking. 
> 
> 2. Leash guiding should never be used to cross streets on a regular basis
> because when doing it correctly and efficiently, you are much closer to the
> dog's shoulders, giving it less stopping time/distance. 
> 
> 3. There are right and wrong ways to safely use leash guiding and if your
> dog wasn't trained to do it, the process can cause more problems than it
> helps. Yes, many of you do use the leash to work your dogs and no one here
> is dead yet but is it the safest, most efficient way to work the dog? 
> 
> 4. Leash guiding should never be used or at least should be used in
> conjunction with a harness being worn, when entering businesses, moving
> about a hotel or other public place. We say this because the public has a
> difficult enough time trying to tell what a real service animal is without
> the confusion of a dog simply on leash working. Yes, it's perfectly legal
> and all that but sometimes just because a thing is so doesn't make it right
> or easy. :) 
> 
> For me coming to GDf from Pilot Dogs, learning to work my dog using only the
> leash was the hardest part of class beyond the different harness feel. When
> done the way we teach it, you can leash guide through Manhattan crowds, not
> recommended but doable, without hitting anyone.
> Jenine Stanley
> jeninems at wowway.com
> 
> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
> 
> On Feb 21, 2014, at 11:15 AM, Alyssa <alyssahenson95 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Leash guiding means the dog is working as a guide even out of harness.
> I've secretly allowed my girl to do this as it has helped me in many
> situations. I generally only do this indoors and not around stairs as LDB
> didn't train the dogs for this skill.
>> Alyssa
>> 
>> Sent From My iPhone 
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have never heard of the term "leash guiding".  Can someone tell me what
> this is, or what it entails?
>>> 
>>> Daryl and the sleeping Jenny
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Alyssa <alyssahenson95 at gmail.com>
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> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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>>> 
>>> I personally like the idea of leash guiding. In fact, when I was at LDB,
> Sophie girl did this often to keep me from hitting walls. LDB disapproved
> this method but I'm glad to see that doesn't apply to all the schools.
>>> Alyssa
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 21, 2014, at 8:09 AM, lizzy <lizzym0827 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Shannon,
>>>> It's funny that you say that about the maturity level of your dogs
> because I've heard a similar comment from another GDF handler.  She said
> that in general, GDF's dogs are a bit better when it comes to manners and
> behavior.  She seems to believe that it has to do with GDF teaching their
> dogs more commands than other schools, and also leash guiding.  Has anyone
> else heard or seen this?
>>>> Just curious,
>>>> Lizzy
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