[nagdu] What Should Dogs Eat was RE: Growing Up Fisher

Tue Feb 25 16:56:42 UTC 2014

Hi Darla,
So most grocery store meats are treated with some cleansing liquid.
Just rinse it off thoroughly before feeding it.
Also, there are a number of cheap ways to get meat--from processors,
abattoirs, taxidermists, friends who hunt and farm, CraigsList and
Freecycle. Rawfeeding carnivores is only as expensive as you make it.
Also, whatever raw-feeding costs will far out way expenses in vet
bills treating disease caused by an improper diet.

On 2/25/14, Darla Rogers <djrogers0628 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Raven,
>
> 	I know a number of handlers that do as you do, but I wonder how you
> can know whether or not the fresh raw meat hasn't had some chemical
> introduced, and do you think feeding raw will become really expensive as
> meat prices go up?
> Curiously, Darla & Happy Huck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:15 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] What Should Dogs Eat ws RE: Growing Up Fisher
>
> Hi,
> While fruits and veggies are okay for our canine companions, they are
> definitely not necessary, even for fiber. For dogs who eat a true canine
> diet of only raw flesh and organs, they also eat bones with the meat, which
> help firm up stool. Now, I know that this is incredibly controversial
> because any number of professionals who work with dogs will tell you to
> never feed a dog raw meat or even bones. Of course, there's a right and
> wrong way to do everything. Handing a dog a bone stripped bare of flesh is
> pretty high risk. Handing a dog a bone covered in meat with no additives,
> such as a pork shoulder, chicken breast or chicken thigh is perfect.
> I swear by this diet because the Golden Guy was a victim of some of the
> minor damage kibble can do. Chronic ear infections every month, needing his
> anal glands expressed every 6 weeks, horrible breath and plaque buildup.
> All
> of that went away when I dropped the fake food.
> And trust me, I used to feed Acana, which is considered pretty high quality
> junk.
> If you really think kibble is okay for a dog, I suggest Googling the
> following:
> Cancer and Kibble
> dangers of kibble
> kibble and dog's teeth
> kibble versus raw feeding.
> Maybe it sometimes takes being burned by this junk and veterinarians to
> swear off it, but I was tired of pouring through ingredient lists of
> different foods, researching what's good and what's not, and even looking
> into preparing home-cooked diets, which are a hell of their own. I was done
> with trying to figure out the problem with different kibbles, and finally
> learned that processed dog food was the problem.
> Yes, dogs can survive on it for many years. Heck, their are people who
> survive on burgers and fries, chicken McNuggets and french fries, and pizza
> to ripe old age. There are people who smoke and drink to they die in their
> seventies and eighties. It still takes a toll on the body. These people
> definitely survive on this junk, but they do not thrive. The same is for
> dogs and processed foods.
>
> On 2/25/14, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> If someone asked me what a dog should, I would not answer dog food or
>> human food. When you look at it from that angle, you're kind of
>> missing the whole point. I agree that there's nothing wrong with
>> feeding dogs what most people call "human food". However, dogs don't
>> need all of the stuff that humans usually put on their food, such as
>> sauce and gravy . Some lean meat would be just fine as dog food. Some
>> dogs seem to also need some of the other stuff, such as fiber, that is
>> found in the manufactured dog food. As far as that is concerned, it's
>> all about looking at the ingredients. What is in the food, and in what
>> order?
>> Finally, although dogs will eat almost anything, I don't always think
>> that it is a good idea to feed them certain fruits and vegetables.
>> Some of them, like apples and bananas, tend to work fine, but there
>> are certain others that don't get digested very well; this also
>> includes nuts. Dogs will eat fruits, vegetables, and nuts, but they
>> are carnivores, so some of that stuff does not work well with their
>> systems.
>> And, last but not least, some people choose not to feed their guide
>> dogs human food, especially directly from he table, because it causes
>> the dog to beg. I've heard people say that that can be avoided, but
>> it's still not something that I am willing to try.
>>
>> Nicole and Lexia will likes her dog food but will let you know if she
>> needs a different one
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> barbandzoe at comcast.net
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 5:02 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>
>> The veal shops were given the dog by the hotel because the man said he
>> could sew Remember they got the hot nudge sundaes,  How is meat people
>> only food.
>> I would rather give my dogs meat then most of the dog treats out
>> there.  So much of that stuff is all corn and wheat.  Dogs eat meat,
>> veggies and fruits in the wild. and by wild I mean dogs like foxes,
>> coyotes, and to some extent wolves. Many times when dogs get sick many
>> times people who deal in animal nutrition will tell you to cook for
>> your dog and give them meat, brown rice and veggies.  If you have a
>> fat dog we have been told to give dogs veggies for treats.
>>
>> I still liked the show and will watch it again.
>> Barb
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Raven Tolliver" <ravend729 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 6:01:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>
>> Hi,
>> As someone who is very against manufactured dog food, there is nothing
>> wrong with feeding dogs raw meat that has been treated and handled a
>> certain way.
>>
>> In fact, guide dog schools in the earlier days used to feed the dogs
>> raw meat, or maybe it was cooked. It doesn't matter, manufactured dog
>> food is a very new concept. And guess what pet dogs and working dogs
>> ate before that cancer-laden stuff was concocted. Guess what wild canines
> eat.
>>
>> On 2/24/14, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Doug,
>>> LOL Oh ow that is a grand idea for those who are not happy with this
>>> list.
>>
>>> Atleast you broke the sort of funky feeling the list had.
>>> Thanks for the smile.
>>> *cough* back to our normally regularly schedule guide dog talk..LOL
>>>
>>> Marsha drenth
>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:51 PM, Doug Parisian <eggmann at mymts.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Obviously adding to the tedium but, something worth serious
>>>> consideration, if one cannot abide by list rules in terms of eticate
>>>> and topic rules, simple solution leave!  You could go one step
>>>> further and set up your own list with your own rules--YIKES!
>>>>
>>>>> On 24/02/2014 3:55 PM, Marsha Drenth wrote:
>>>>> Howard,
>>>>> You asked what rules had been broken. The rule of respect. By
>>>>> Mike's tone, he was not being respectful of Buddy. Again this had
>>>>> nothing to do with the actual writing, but the way he sounded. Nor
>>>>> did this have any thing to do with Mike's opinion or Buddy's
>>>>> opinion. Again it was the tone. I am getting blue from saying this
>>>>> so much. Nor should I need to explain repect to you, to whom I
>>>>> assume are a grown man. As someone said already, there are rules on
>>>>> this list. I don't care if you don't like the show or not, take it
>>>>> apart bit by bit, express your opinion all you want...but do it in
>>>>> a respectful manner. Also again, this has nothing to do with that I
>>>>> did or not recieve my guide from any particular school. I didn't
>>>>> know about the show until someone posted about it today. Nor do I
>>>>> watch TV. I am the moderator of this list, and do have the
>>>>> authority to tell persons who have a bad tone to be nice. And
>>>>> again, if you have issues
>> with that, please do take it up with Marion, NAGDU president.
>>>>> Everyone since has discussed this show in a respectful manner, but
>>>>> you seem to go and go on and on about this. Your more than welcome
>>>>> to email me offlist, I can not call you.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am suggesting that this be the last said about this. No I don't
>>>>> mean the topic of the show, but your insistants that I am taking
>>>>> away your right to an opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha drenth, NAGDU List Moderator Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 4:21 PM, "Howard J. Levine"
>>>>>> <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes if you like to call me that would be great my phone number is
>>>>>> 718
>>>>>> 591 3678.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
>>>>>> Drenth
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 4:15 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Howard,
>>>>>> As the list moderator, I have the responsibility to this and to
>>>>>> each and every member. I did not tell you that you could not
>>>>>> express your opinion. Nor did I take away your right as a blind
>>>>>> person to express your thoughts. What I did ask for, is for the
>>>>>> members of this list to be nice to each other. And yes Howard, it
>>>>>> was
>> rude.
>>>>>> If you would like to continue to argue about this, we can surely
>>>>>> do that offlist.
>>>>>> I was not out of line, but I do believe that you are.
>>>>>> Take a deep breathe, step away from the computer and think about
>>>>>> what you write before you send the message.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marsha drenth, NAGDU List Moderator Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:13 AM, "Howard J. Levine"
>>>>>>> <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Come on Marsha no one was nasty, did GDF call you. We have a
>>>>>>> right to our opinion's and please don't hold blind people to
>>>>>>> higher stand then sighted people. It is tv show and we can have
>>>>>>> opinion just like the rest of the country. I understand that this
>>>>>>> show is being back byGDF and it is all about money. WE as blind
>>>>>>> people have same rights rest of the country and don't need to
>>>>>>> kiss as
>> just so we can get a guide dog.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
>>>>>>> Drenth
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:47 AM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Growing Up Fisher
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> gentlemen, there was no reason to get nasty. Although you may not
>>>>>>> likethe show. You need to keep your opinion subjective. Be nice!
>>>>>>> thank you, from your list moderator!y
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Mike <blindndangerous at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's called a comedy. Get that through your head. Heh.  I didn't
>>>>>>>> get a chance to watch it, but I did read the article that the
>>>>>>>> NFB published about it, and while I am not a fan of them all the
>>>>>>>> time they had a lot of good points to say on the show.  SO I
>>>>>>>> think I'll take them over you.
>>>>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>>>>> On 2/24/2014 7:52 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Did anyone else watch this awful piece of garbage last night?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It had exactly one redeeming quality, and that was that it
>>>>>>>>> ended eventually. For once, I agree with the critics. Blind guy
>>>>>>>>> or no, this thing for one wasn't funny. For another, oh, where to
> begin?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where did the guy's family think he went for a month? Or did he
>>>>>>>>> just pick up a guide dog named Elvis at the corner store?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Veal cutlet? Really?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Locking your dog in the pantry and pretending he was lost? For
>>>>>>>>> real?
>>
>>>>>>>>> C'mon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK, it was TV, but it was really bad TV.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, and mom...midlife crisis much?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll give it another go, but i'm not very optimistic.
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