[nagdu] Haltis and Scavenging WAS Retiring a dog early

Thu Feb 27 08:14:05 UTC 2014

Nicole,
Both head collars function like a horse's head halter.
The gentle leader only has 2 straps with a clip on the nose strap, and
is worn as a collar on its own. It's pretty much a loop that goes over
a dog's head and around the nose.
The Halti is one piece, but has a neck strap, cheek straps, and a nose
strap with a plastic clip for adjustment. Recent models have a safety
strap that ends in a metal clip to attach to a companion collar.

Halti vs. GL
http://pawsitivedog.com/wordpress/head-halters-gentle-leader-vs-halti/

On 2/27/14, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think that you have them switched.
> The halty is more like a horse halter, and, unless they have changed, the
> nose strap is not adjustable. I know because the border collie mix who was
> the family pet had to wear one. The gentle leader is the one that has only
> two straps and the clip on the nose strap.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:22 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Haltis and Scavenging WAS Retiring a dog early
>
> Hi,
> There is a clip under the nose strap on the Halti, which allows for the
> strap to be adjusted.
> I don't believe the nose strap of the Gentle leader is adjustable.
> That kind of head collar might be the one Aleeha is complaining is too
> loose
> around the nose.
>
> On 2/26/14, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Okay, then it's possible that GDB had us put it on too tight. I wonder
>> if this is why most dogs hate it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha
>> Dudley
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 6:33 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Haltis and Scavenging WAS Retiring a dog early
>>
>> I always thought that the Haltie was too loose on the dog's nose, not
>> offering enough control. I've always been taught that the gentle
>> leader is properly fitted if the dog can open its mouth wide enough to
>> pant and if you can get a finger sideways between the neck strap and
>> the neck.
>>
>> On 2/26/14, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> I wish that GDB did this. They issue a gentle leader, or at least
>>> they did in 2007. We were required to use it once. I think that I did
>>> something that made Lexia really not like it; but I honestly  don't
>>> know what I did. I think that she might have liked a halty better. I
>>> don't like the way that the gentle leader pulls tight around the
>>> dog's
>> nose and does not loosen.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
>>> Tolliver
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:56 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Haltis and Scavenging WAS Retiring a dog early
>>>
>>> Hi Daryl,
>>> I'm glad the Halti is working for you! Many people are very anti head
>>> collar. It's good to see you tried it and are having success.
>>> Just remember that to work on scavenging and sniffing, it's important
>>> to practice at home with things like "leave it" and teaching your dog
>>> how to react to, or ignore, food on the floor or ground without the
>>> Halti on. The leg work is certainly worth it. I have taught extremely
>>> nosy beagles, black labs, and pitbulls to ignore food via self
>>> restraint or on cue. It took more time than it did with other dogs,
>>> but they get the hang of it.
>>> Guiding Eyes  actually issues the Halti among other collars with each
>>> dog.
>>> Or, at least they did when I attended. Everyone doesn't need one all
>>> the time, but I have found myself in situations where the Halti was
>> useful.
>>>
>>> On 2/26/14, Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>> Darla,
>>>> I have a Halti for jenny. Without knowing it, I bought the Halti (or
>>>> something very VERY similar as per Raven's description).  It has
>>>> made working with Jenny SO much easier!  her scavenging has
>>>> exponentially decreased (maybe once every trip or two, compared to
>>>> ALL THE TIME), and I have full confidence that with a little more
>>>> hard work it will almost disappear in time.
>>>>
>>>> Daryl and the sleepy Jenny
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Darla Rogers <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:01:27 -0700 (MST)
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retiring a dog early
>>>>
>>>> I concur with Darrel; I'd be curious to know, though I am going to
>>>> do as Raven suggests and get a haltie.
>>>> Darla & Happy Huck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl
>>>> Marie
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:33 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retiring a dog early
>>>>
>>>> Jewel,
>>>> While I am new to guide dogs, I don't have any advice regarding how
>>>> to let go and ways to love a new dog.
>>>>
>>>> May  I ask what Faye was doing re scavenging/sniffing that prompted
>>>> the trainer and you to come to this decision?  I am curious, as I
>>>> have a scavenger...
>>>>
>>>> Daryl and the sleepy Jenny doggie donut
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:11:24 -0700 (MST)
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Retiring a dog early
>>>>
>>>> Retiring a dog early
>>>> An instructor from my school came this weekend and assessed Faye's
>>>> behavior issues, specifically scavenging and sniffing. We decided
>>>> together it would be best to return Faye to the school and start the
>>>> intake for a new dog. I put so much love and time into this
>>>> relationship over the past eight months I have had her, I am having
>>>> trouble dealing with this. Is there any advice on how to enjoy the
>>>> last of the time I have with her and how to let go when I must? I am
>>>> also afraid of not being able to put as much love into my next guide
>>>> dog relationship. Did you find it easy to fall in love with a
>>>> successor
>>> dog?
>>>> Jewel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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