[nagdu] Haltis and Scavenging WAS Retiring a dog early

Thu Feb 27 12:39:12 UTC 2014

The gentle leader is adjustable around the nose. I was looking at a Haltie and, even with the strap adjusted, it was still too loose, even after trying a couple of sizes. 

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> On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:22 PM, Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> There is a clip under the nose strap on the Halti, which allows for
> the strap to be adjusted.
> I don't believe the nose strap of the Gentle leader is adjustable.
> That kind of head collar might be the one Aleeha is complaining is too
> loose around the nose.
> 
>> On 2/26/14, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Okay, then it's possible that GDB had us put it on too tight. I wonder if
>> this is why most dogs hate it.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 6:33 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Haltis and Scavenging WAS Retiring a dog early
>> 
>> I always thought that the Haltie was too loose on the dog's nose, not
>> offering enough control. I've always been taught that the gentle leader is
>> properly fitted if the dog can open its mouth wide enough to pant and if
>> you
>> can get a finger sideways between the neck strap and the neck.
>> 
>>> On 2/26/14, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> I wish that GDB did this. They issue a gentle leader, or at least they
>>> did in 2007. We were required to use it once. I think that I did
>>> something that made Lexia really not like it; but I honestly  don't
>>> know what I did. I think that she might have liked a halty better. I
>>> don't like the way that the gentle leader pulls tight around the dog's
>> nose and does not loosen.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
>>> Tolliver
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:56 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Haltis and Scavenging WAS Retiring a dog early
>>> 
>>> Hi Daryl,
>>> I'm glad the Halti is working for you! Many people are very anti head
>>> collar. It's good to see you tried it and are having success.
>>> Just remember that to work on scavenging and sniffing, it's important
>>> to practice at home with things like "leave it" and teaching your dog
>>> how to react to, or ignore, food on the floor or ground without the
>>> Halti on. The leg work is certainly worth it. I have taught extremely
>>> nosy beagles, black labs, and pitbulls to ignore food via self
>>> restraint or on cue. It took more time than it did with other dogs,
>>> but they get the hang of it.
>>> Guiding Eyes  actually issues the Halti among other collars with each
>>> dog.
>>> Or, at least they did when I attended. Everyone doesn't need one all
>>> the time, but I have found myself in situations where the Halti was
>> useful.
>>> 
>>>> On 2/26/14, Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>> Darla,
>>>> I have a Halti for jenny. Without knowing it, I bought the Halti (or
>>>> something very VERY similar as per Raven's description).  It has made
>>>> working with Jenny SO much easier!  her scavenging has exponentially
>>>> decreased (maybe once every trip or two, compared to ALL THE TIME),
>>>> and I have full confidence that with a little more hard work it will
>>>> almost disappear in time.
>>>> 
>>>> Daryl and the sleepy Jenny
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Darla Rogers <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:01:27 -0700 (MST)
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retiring a dog early
>>>> 
>>>> I concur with Darrel; I'd be curious to know, though I am going to do
>>>> as Raven suggests and get a haltie.
>>>> Darla & Happy Huck
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl
>>>> Marie
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:33 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retiring a dog early
>>>> 
>>>> Jewel,
>>>> While I am new to guide dogs, I don't have any advice regarding how
>>>> to let go and ways to love a new dog.
>>>> 
>>>> May  I ask what Faye was doing re scavenging/sniffing that prompted
>>>> the trainer and you to come to this decision?  I am curious, as I
>>>> have a scavenger...
>>>> 
>>>> Daryl and the sleepy Jenny doggie donut
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:11:24 -0700 (MST)
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Retiring a dog early
>>>> 
>>>> Retiring a dog early
>>>> An instructor from my school came this weekend and assessed Faye's
>>>> behavior issues, specifically scavenging and sniffing. We decided
>>>> together it would be best to return Faye to the school and start the
>>>> intake for a new dog. I put so much love and time into this
>>>> relationship over the past eight months I have had her, I am having
>>>> trouble dealing with this. Is there any advice on how to enjoy the
>>>> last of the time I have with her and how to let go when I must? I am
>>>> also afraid of not being able to put as much love into my next guide
>>>> dog relationship. Did you find it easy to fall in love with a
>>>> successor
>>> dog?
>>>> Jewel
>>>> 
>>>> 
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