[nagdu] Haltis and Scavenging WAS Retiring a dog early

Thu Feb 27 13:20:46 UTC 2014

You can adjust the size of the nose loop on a Gentle Leader.  Also if you 
have the neck loop snug, then you can have the nose loop a little looser. 
Overall though, the Gentle Leader does fit more snugly than does the Halti. 
I used the Gentle Leader with Monty because the Halti didn't fit him 
correctly because of his face shape.  He's part Boxer and has a shorter 
muzzle than your typical lab.

Julie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Raven Tolliver
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 10:22 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Haltis and Scavenging WAS Retiring a dog early

Hi,
There is a clip under the nose strap on the Halti, which allows for
the strap to be adjusted.
I don't believe the nose strap of the Gentle leader is adjustable.
That kind of head collar might be the one Aleeha is complaining is too
loose around the nose.

On 2/26/14, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Okay, then it's possible that GDB had us put it on too tight. I wonder if
> this is why most dogs hate it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 6:33 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Haltis and Scavenging WAS Retiring a dog early
>
> I always thought that the Haltie was too loose on the dog's nose, not
> offering enough control. I've always been taught that the gentle leader is
> properly fitted if the dog can open its mouth wide enough to pant and if
> you
> can get a finger sideways between the neck strap and the neck.
>
> On 2/26/14, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> I wish that GDB did this. They issue a gentle leader, or at least they
>> did in 2007. We were required to use it once. I think that I did
>> something that made Lexia really not like it; but I honestly  don't
>> know what I did. I think that she might have liked a halty better. I
>> don't like the way that the gentle leader pulls tight around the dog's
> nose and does not loosen.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
>> Tolliver
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:56 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Haltis and Scavenging WAS Retiring a dog early
>>
>> Hi Daryl,
>> I'm glad the Halti is working for you! Many people are very anti head
>> collar. It's good to see you tried it and are having success.
>> Just remember that to work on scavenging and sniffing, it's important
>> to practice at home with things like "leave it" and teaching your dog
>> how to react to, or ignore, food on the floor or ground without the
>> Halti on. The leg work is certainly worth it. I have taught extremely
>> nosy beagles, black labs, and pitbulls to ignore food via self
>> restraint or on cue. It took more time than it did with other dogs,
>> but they get the hang of it.
>> Guiding Eyes  actually issues the Halti among other collars with each
>> dog.
>> Or, at least they did when I attended. Everyone doesn't need one all
>> the time, but I have found myself in situations where the Halti was
> useful.
>>
>> On 2/26/14, Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> Darla,
>>> I have a Halti for jenny. Without knowing it, I bought the Halti (or
>>> something very VERY similar as per Raven's description).  It has made
>>> working with Jenny SO much easier!  her scavenging has exponentially
>>> decreased (maybe once every trip or two, compared to ALL THE TIME),
>>> and I have full confidence that with a little more hard work it will
>>> almost disappear in time.
>>>
>>> Daryl and the sleepy Jenny
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Darla Rogers <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:01:27 -0700 (MST)
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retiring a dog early
>>>
>>> I concur with Darrel; I'd be curious to know, though I am going to do
>>> as Raven suggests and get a haltie.
>>> Darla & Happy Huck
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl
>>> Marie
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:33 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retiring a dog early
>>>
>>> Jewel,
>>> While I am new to guide dogs, I don't have any advice regarding how
>>> to let go and ways to love a new dog.
>>>
>>> May  I ask what Faye was doing re scavenging/sniffing that prompted
>>> the trainer and you to come to this decision?  I am curious, as I
>>> have a scavenger...
>>>
>>> Daryl and the sleepy Jenny doggie donut
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>>> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:11:24 -0700 (MST)
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Retiring a dog early
>>>
>>> Retiring a dog early
>>> An instructor from my school came this weekend and assessed Faye's
>>> behavior issues, specifically scavenging and sniffing. We decided
>>> together it would be best to return Faye to the school and start the
>>> intake for a new dog. I put so much love and time into this
>>> relationship over the past eight months I have had her, I am having
>>> trouble dealing with this. Is there any advice on how to enjoy the
>>> last of the time I have with her and how to let go when I must? I am
>>> also afraid of not being able to put as much love into my next guide
>>> dog relationship. Did you find it easy to fall in love with a
>>> successor
>> dog?
>>> Jewel
>>>
>>>
>>>
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