[nagdu] physicians in it for the money?

Sat Jan 4 09:29:59 UTC 2014

Hello list,
here in Slovakia, guide dog users as well as pet owners are required to 
get a rabies vaccination for their dogs once a year.
  Have a wonderful weekend.
Maria

On 4.1.2014 0:16, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
> Ohio requires guide dog users to get a rabies shot for our dogs every 3
> years.
>
> Chantel and Motley.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 6:13 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] physicians in it for the money?
>
> Michigan does every 3 years.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 5:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] physicians in it for the money?
>
>
>> Hi Raven,
>>
>> I can agree on all points but one:  States require rabies vaccination
>> here, and in other states once a year; you can't get a license for your
>> dog without it; you could possibly be challenged in another state if
>> someone complained about your dog, and  you'll have more vaccines and
>> tests than you want to go to Hawaii.
>> I'm not saying it's right, but until we change the laws, it is what it is.
>> Darla
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 1:40 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] physicians in it for the money?
>>
>> Vets are in it for the money because their education and practices are
>> supported by dog food and pharmaceutical companies. If you think
>> traditional vets charge a lot for their families and businesses to
>> survive, check out the rates of holistic vets or veterinary homeopaths.
>> They charge even more because they refuse to practice conventional
>> medicine and sell the products that the big food and drug companies push
>> in veterinary school. Veterinary homeopaths don't over-vaccinate, sell
>> processed dog food, or any pharmaceuticals, so they lose out on any
> income
>> that traditional vets make from those foods and drugs. Veterinary
>> homeopaths charge higher rates because they do not have food companies
>> supporting their practice if they sell x number of bags or cans of food.
>> These are the people who are in it for animals and their providers
> because
>> despite the fact that they make less money than their traditional
>> counterparts, they are still determined to practice medicine that does
> not
>> poison pets and cause cancer, organ failure, auto immune-deficiencies,
> and
>> a myriad of other diseases and disorders that come with filling animals
>> with vaccines and processed foods.
>> One of the reasons why many traditional veterinarians refuse to stop
>> pushing so many vaccinations annually or triennially is because they
> would
>> lose out on so much money if they did; their businesses would go under.
>> Yes, some are simply misguided or uneducated, but I have talked to
>> multiple vets who have their pets on completely different vaccination
>> schedules than their office recommends. They choose to vaccinate far
> less.
>> That says something, don't you think?
>> If most vets are in it for the animals and their providers, why do they
>> over-vaccinate pets? Why do they administer, prescribe, or recommend
>> medications that are unnecessary and harmful to pets? Why do they
>> recommend feeding foods that cause more health problems rather than
>> recommending diets that prevent them?
>>
>>
>> On 1/3/14, Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 1/3/14, Michael Hingson <Mike at michaelhingson.com> wrote:
>>>> By the way, concerning the issue of vets being in it for the money,
>>>> most vets are in it for the animals and their humans.  Many studies
>>>> have shown over and over again that it costs as much for vets to go
>>>> to schools as any other doctor.  After school vets pay has
>>>> traditionally been 1/4 that of doctors.  Vets have been raising
>>>> prices as many people have noted, but it has simply been a matter of
>>>> survival.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon
>>>> Dyer
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 10:44 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] heartworm prevention
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Tina.
>>>>
>>>> This was a very insightful post. Often, vets are in it for the money.
>>>> We see this in the extremely expensive prices some vets would have us
>>>> pay.
>>>> Having
>>>> said that, I wholeheartedly agree with your assertion that the best
>>>> thing we can do for ourselves, our dogs, and those around us is to
>>>> make informed choices. I have no plans to stop giving heartworm
>>>> preventative.
>>>>
>>>> Shannon and the Acelet
>>>> On Jan 3, 2014, at 12:29 PM, "Tina Thomas" <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Your claims that some vets are just in it for the money might have some
>>>>> merit. However, speaking from someone who lives on the west coast
>>>>> and trusts the vet I'm working with, I think I will rely on her
>>>>> research, knowledge as well as having 30 years of experience working
>>>>> with animals. I am not willing to gamble with the health of my dog
>>>>> or put someone else's dog at risk by not being mindful of mites and
>>>>> fleas that can infect my dog as well as someone s else's dog based
>>>>> on sources sited on the internet. The best we as a dog handling
>>>>> community can do for ourselves, is to evaluate our lifestyle and
>>>>> what we do day to day with our dogs, so that we can make an informed
>>>>> choice to what is best for us and our dogs to have a long and lasting
>>>>> partnership.
>>>>> Tina and the girls
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
>>>>> Tolliver
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 8:34 AM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] heartworm prevention
>>>>>
>>>>> the heartworm pill does not prevent heartworm, it is a pesticide
>>>>> that kills heartworm babies. Nothing can stop your dog from getting
>>>>> heartworm unless it can stop mosquitoes infected with heartworm from
>>>>> biting your dog. You can reduce mosquito bites with mosquito
>>>>> control, but obviously, that is not 100%. The ultimate solution to
>>>>> fending off pests and fighting worms is a healthy immune system.
>>>>> Getting a heartworm infestation is far more difficult than vets and
>>>>> drug companies would have us believe. There are 7 steps necessary
>>>>> for an
>>>>> infestation:
>>>>> Step 1: A hungry female mosquito of a certain species must bite your
>>>>> dog.
>>>>> Female mosquitoes act as airborne incubators for premature baby
>>>>> heartworms (called microfilariae). Mosquitoes thrive in warm, humid
>>>>> conditions, as I stated in an earlier post.
>>>>> Step 2: Our hungry mosquito needs access to a dog already infected
>>>>> with sexually mature male andfemale heartworms that have produced
>>>>> babies.
>>>>> Step 3: The heartworm babies must be at the L1 stage of development
>>>>> when the mosquito bites the dog and withdraws blood.
>>>>> Step 4:  Ten to fourteen days later - if the temperature is right
>>>>> -the microfilariae mature inside the mosquito to the infective L3
>>>>> stage then migrate to the mosquito’s mouth. (Yum!) Step 5:  Madame
>>>>> mosquito transmits the L3′s to your dog’s skin with a bite. Then, if
>>>>> all conditions are right, the L3′s develop in the skin for three to
>>>>> four months (to the L5 stage) before making their way into your
>>>>> dog’s blood.  But your dog still isn’t doomed.
>>>>> Step 6:   Only if the dog’s immune system doesn’t rid the dog of
> these
>>>>> worms do the heartworms develop to adulthood.
>>>>> Step 7:   It takes approximately six months for the surviving larvae
>>>>> to achieve maturity. At this point, the adult heartworms may produce
>>>>> babies if there are both males and females, but the kiddies will die
>>>>> unless a mosquito carrying L3′s intervenes.  Otherwise, the adults
>>>>> will live several years then die.
>>>>> In summation, a particular species of mosquito must bite a dog
>>>>> infected with circulating L1 heartworm babies, must carry the babies
>>>>> to stage L3 and then must bite your dog. The adult worms and babies
>>>>> will eventually die off in the dog unless your dog is bitten again!
>>>>> Also, heartworms Development Requires Sustained Day & Night Weather
>>>>> Above 57˚F ...
>>>>> The University of Pennsylvania vet school (in a study funded by
>>>>> Merial) found: “Development in the mosquito is temperature
>>>>> dependent, requiring approximately two weeks of temperature at or
> above
>>>>> 27C (80F).
>>>>> Below a threshold temperature of 14C (57F), development cannot
>>>>> occur, and the cycle will be halted. As a result, transmission is
>>>>> limited to warm months, and duration of the transmission season
>>>>> varies geographically.”
>>>>> ...
>>>>> The Washington State University vet school reports that laboratory
>>>>> studies show that maturation of the worms requires “the equivalent
>>>>> of a steady 24-hour daily temperature in excess of 64°F (18°C) for
>>>>> approximately one month.”  In other words, it has to be warm day AND
>>>>> night or development is retarded even if the average temperature is
>>>>> sufficiently warm. They add, that at 80° F, “10 to 14 days are
>>>>> required for development of microfilariae to the infective stage.”
>>>>> Jerold Theis, DVM, PhD, says, “If the mean monthly temperature is
>>>>> only a few degrees above 14 degrees centigrade [57 degrees F] it can
>>>>> take so many days for infective larvae to develop that the
>>>>> likelihood of the female mosquito living that long is remote.”
>>>>> https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/heartworm-medication-part-1-tr
>>>>> ut
>>>>> hs-om
>>>>> issions-and-profits/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2010/08/03/
>>>>> wh y-hav ent-pet-owners-been-told-these-facts-about-heartworm.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> The vets at Holistic Vet Center say:  “… monthly heartworm
>>>>> preventatives are actually 100% effective if given every 45 days and
>>>>> 99% effective if given every 60 days.”
>>>>> https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/heartworm-medication-part-2/
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, people need to understand that heartworm positive results is
>>>>> not a death sentence. there are various herbs which treat heartworm;
>>>>> and there is also Heartworm Free, which is both a preventative and
>>>>> treatment.
>>>>> http://www.heartwormfree.com/heartworm_prevention.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> If you do a Google search for heartworm development and temperature,
>>>>> you will see the same facts on numerous websites.
>>>>> Sorry, vets are in it for the money, and the vets at guide dog
>>>>> schools are no more competent than the four vets I visited with my
>>>>> golden. You know that money is a top priority in the guide dog
>>>>> programs because they feed the dogs foods like Iams, Proplan, insert
>>>>> low-cost, low quality dog food here. And these vets truly think that
>>>>> these brands of kibble are healthy. Any vet who says things like:
>>>>> "Iams is a healthy kibble," or "Eating kibble cleans your dog's
>>>>> teeth," are not good vets in my opinion. Statements such as these
>>>>> demonstrate that a vet is concerned about money over health.
>>>>> Statements such as these come from the same vets who say give
>>>>> heartworm preventative once a month, even when there's not a chance
>>>>> of mosquitoes appearing for more than half the year. If you live in
>>>>> states with climates similar to Florida or Texas, I can understand
>>>>> where they're coming from. But in regions like the Northeast and
>>>>> Midwest, that is just overkill.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Raven
>>>>>
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>>> --
>>> Raven
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Raven
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