[nagdu] physicians in it for the money?

Sat Jan 4 13:28:46 UTC 2014

Hi,
No matter what a vet's office recommends or state law requires,
Federal law requires the Rabies shot every 3 years in the US.
Currently, a team of veterinarians, headed by Dr. Ron Schultz, are
working on the Rabies challenge Fund, striving to prove that the
Rabies vaccine lasts at least 5 years. They are operating off
donations, and are in the 6th year of the study.
http://www.rabieschallengefund.org/
Frankly, I would try my best not to travel to or bring my dog to any
place that required us to be vaccinated beforehand. My and my dog's
health are that important to me.

On 1/4/14, Mária Orovčíková <maria.orovcikova at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello list,
> here in Slovakia, guide dog users as well as pet owners are required to
> get a rabies vaccination for their dogs once a year.
>   Have a wonderful weekend.
> Maria
>
> On 4.1.2014 0:16, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>> Ohio requires guide dog users to get a rabies shot for our dogs every 3
>> years.
>>
>> Chantel and Motley.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 6:13 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] physicians in it for the money?
>>
>> Michigan does every 3 years.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 5:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] physicians in it for the money?
>>
>>
>>> Hi Raven,
>>>
>>> I can agree on all points but one:  States require rabies vaccination
>>> here, and in other states once a year; you can't get a license for your
>>> dog without it; you could possibly be challenged in another state if
>>> someone complained about your dog, and  you'll have more vaccines and
>>> tests than you want to go to Hawaii.
>>> I'm not saying it's right, but until we change the laws, it is what it
>>> is.
>>> Darla
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
>>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 1:40 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] physicians in it for the money?
>>>
>>> Vets are in it for the money because their education and practices are
>>> supported by dog food and pharmaceutical companies. If you think
>>> traditional vets charge a lot for their families and businesses to
>>> survive, check out the rates of holistic vets or veterinary homeopaths.
>>> They charge even more because they refuse to practice conventional
>>> medicine and sell the products that the big food and drug companies push
>>> in veterinary school. Veterinary homeopaths don't over-vaccinate, sell
>>> processed dog food, or any pharmaceuticals, so they lose out on any
>> income
>>> that traditional vets make from those foods and drugs. Veterinary
>>> homeopaths charge higher rates because they do not have food companies
>>> supporting their practice if they sell x number of bags or cans of food.
>>> These are the people who are in it for animals and their providers
>> because
>>> despite the fact that they make less money than their traditional
>>> counterparts, they are still determined to practice medicine that does
>> not
>>> poison pets and cause cancer, organ failure, auto immune-deficiencies,
>> and
>>> a myriad of other diseases and disorders that come with filling animals
>>> with vaccines and processed foods.
>>> One of the reasons why many traditional veterinarians refuse to stop
>>> pushing so many vaccinations annually or triennially is because they
>> would
>>> lose out on so much money if they did; their businesses would go under.
>>> Yes, some are simply misguided or uneducated, but I have talked to
>>> multiple vets who have their pets on completely different vaccination
>>> schedules than their office recommends. They choose to vaccinate far
>> less.
>>> That says something, don't you think?
>>> If most vets are in it for the animals and their providers, why do they
>>> over-vaccinate pets? Why do they administer, prescribe, or recommend
>>> medications that are unnecessary and harmful to pets? Why do they
>>> recommend feeding foods that cause more health problems rather than
>>> recommending diets that prevent them?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/3/14, Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 1/3/14, Michael Hingson <Mike at michaelhingson.com> wrote:
>>>>> By the way, concerning the issue of vets being in it for the money,
>>>>> most vets are in it for the animals and their humans.  Many studies
>>>>> have shown over and over again that it costs as much for vets to go
>>>>> to schools as any other doctor.  After school vets pay has
>>>>> traditionally been 1/4 that of doctors.  Vets have been raising
>>>>> prices as many people have noted, but it has simply been a matter of
>>>>> survival.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon
>>>>> Dyer
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 10:44 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] heartworm prevention
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Tina.
>>>>>
>>>>> This was a very insightful post. Often, vets are in it for the money.
>>>>> We see this in the extremely expensive prices some vets would have us
>>>>> pay.
>>>>> Having
>>>>> said that, I wholeheartedly agree with your assertion that the best
>>>>> thing we can do for ourselves, our dogs, and those around us is to
>>>>> make informed choices. I have no plans to stop giving heartworm
>>>>> preventative.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shannon and the Acelet
>>>>> On Jan 3, 2014, at 12:29 PM, "Tina Thomas" <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Your claims that some vets are just in it for the money might have
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> merit. However, speaking from someone who lives on the west coast
>>>>>> and trusts the vet I'm working with, I think I will rely on her
>>>>>> research, knowledge as well as having 30 years of experience working
>>>>>> with animals. I am not willing to gamble with the health of my dog
>>>>>> or put someone else's dog at risk by not being mindful of mites and
>>>>>> fleas that can infect my dog as well as someone s else's dog based
>>>>>> on sources sited on the internet. The best we as a dog handling
>>>>>> community can do for ourselves, is to evaluate our lifestyle and
>>>>>> what we do day to day with our dogs, so that we can make an informed
>>>>>> choice to what is best for us and our dogs to have a long and lasting
>>>>>> partnership.
>>>>>> Tina and the girls
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
>>>>>> Tolliver
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 8:34 AM
>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] heartworm prevention
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the heartworm pill does not prevent heartworm, it is a pesticide
>>>>>> that kills heartworm babies. Nothing can stop your dog from getting
>>>>>> heartworm unless it can stop mosquitoes infected with heartworm from
>>>>>> biting your dog. You can reduce mosquito bites with mosquito
>>>>>> control, but obviously, that is not 100%. The ultimate solution to
>>>>>> fending off pests and fighting worms is a healthy immune system.
>>>>>> Getting a heartworm infestation is far more difficult than vets and
>>>>>> drug companies would have us believe. There are 7 steps necessary
>>>>>> for an
>>>>>> infestation:
>>>>>> Step 1: A hungry female mosquito of a certain species must bite your
>>>>>> dog.
>>>>>> Female mosquitoes act as airborne incubators for premature baby
>>>>>> heartworms (called microfilariae). Mosquitoes thrive in warm, humid
>>>>>> conditions, as I stated in an earlier post.
>>>>>> Step 2: Our hungry mosquito needs access to a dog already infected
>>>>>> with sexually mature male andfemale heartworms that have produced
>>>>>> babies.
>>>>>> Step 3: The heartworm babies must be at the L1 stage of development
>>>>>> when the mosquito bites the dog and withdraws blood.
>>>>>> Step 4:  Ten to fourteen days later - if the temperature is right
>>>>>> -the microfilariae mature inside the mosquito to the infective L3
>>>>>> stage then migrate to the mosquito’s mouth. (Yum!) Step 5:  Madame
>>>>>> mosquito transmits the L3′s to your dog’s skin with a bite. Then, if
>>>>>> all conditions are right, the L3′s develop in the skin for three to
>>>>>> four months (to the L5 stage) before making their way into your
>>>>>> dog’s blood.  But your dog still isn’t doomed.
>>>>>> Step 6:   Only if the dog’s immune system doesn’t rid the dog of
>> these
>>>>>> worms do the heartworms develop to adulthood.
>>>>>> Step 7:   It takes approximately six months for the surviving larvae
>>>>>> to achieve maturity. At this point, the adult heartworms may produce
>>>>>> babies if there are both males and females, but the kiddies will die
>>>>>> unless a mosquito carrying L3′s intervenes.  Otherwise, the adults
>>>>>> will live several years then die.
>>>>>> In summation, a particular species of mosquito must bite a dog
>>>>>> infected with circulating L1 heartworm babies, must carry the babies
>>>>>> to stage L3 and then must bite your dog. The adult worms and babies
>>>>>> will eventually die off in the dog unless your dog is bitten again!
>>>>>> Also, heartworms Development Requires Sustained Day & Night Weather
>>>>>> Above 57˚F ...
>>>>>> The University of Pennsylvania vet school (in a study funded by
>>>>>> Merial) found: “Development in the mosquito is temperature
>>>>>> dependent, requiring approximately two weeks of temperature at or
>> above
>>>>>> 27C (80F).
>>>>>> Below a threshold temperature of 14C (57F), development cannot
>>>>>> occur, and the cycle will be halted. As a result, transmission is
>>>>>> limited to warm months, and duration of the transmission season
>>>>>> varies geographically.”
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> The Washington State University vet school reports that laboratory
>>>>>> studies show that maturation of the worms requires “the equivalent
>>>>>> of a steady 24-hour daily temperature in excess of 64°F (18°C) for
>>>>>> approximately one month.”  In other words, it has to be warm day AND
>>>>>> night or development is retarded even if the average temperature is
>>>>>> sufficiently warm. They add, that at 80° F, “10 to 14 days are
>>>>>> required for development of microfilariae to the infective stage.”
>>>>>> Jerold Theis, DVM, PhD, says, “If the mean monthly temperature is
>>>>>> only a few degrees above 14 degrees centigrade [57 degrees F] it can
>>>>>> take so many days for infective larvae to develop that the
>>>>>> likelihood of the female mosquito living that long is remote.”
>>>>>> https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/heartworm-medication-part-1-tr
>>>>>> ut
>>>>>> hs-om
>>>>>> issions-and-profits/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2010/08/03/
>>>>>> wh y-hav ent-pet-owners-been-told-these-facts-about-heartworm.aspx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The vets at Holistic Vet Center say:  “… monthly heartworm
>>>>>> preventatives are actually 100% effective if given every 45 days and
>>>>>> 99% effective if given every 60 days.”
>>>>>> https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/heartworm-medication-part-2/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, people need to understand that heartworm positive results is
>>>>>> not a death sentence. there are various herbs which treat heartworm;
>>>>>> and there is also Heartworm Free, which is both a preventative and
>>>>>> treatment.
>>>>>> http://www.heartwormfree.com/heartworm_prevention.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you do a Google search for heartworm development and temperature,
>>>>>> you will see the same facts on numerous websites.
>>>>>> Sorry, vets are in it for the money, and the vets at guide dog
>>>>>> schools are no more competent than the four vets I visited with my
>>>>>> golden. You know that money is a top priority in the guide dog
>>>>>> programs because they feed the dogs foods like Iams, Proplan, insert
>>>>>> low-cost, low quality dog food here. And these vets truly think that
>>>>>> these brands of kibble are healthy. Any vet who says things like:
>>>>>> "Iams is a healthy kibble," or "Eating kibble cleans your dog's
>>>>>> teeth," are not good vets in my opinion. Statements such as these
>>>>>> demonstrate that a vet is concerned about money over health.
>>>>>> Statements such as these come from the same vets who say give
>>>>>> heartworm preventative once a month, even when there's not a chance
>>>>>> of mosquitoes appearing for more than half the year. If you live in
>>>>>> states with climates similar to Florida or Texas, I can understand
>>>>>> where they're coming from. But in regions like the Northeast and
>>>>>> Midwest, that is just overkill.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Raven
>>>>>>
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>>>
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