[nagdu] O&M skills

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Fri Jan 31 16:24:06 UTC 2014


Me too. I live in Montreal and am forever on a waiting list.

Amanda

> On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:22 AM, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Melissa.
> Please do ask.  I think there are lots of people who'd like to know, including me.
> Tracy
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "melissa R green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills
> 
> 
>> I wonder if there is a way to get around being a client of rehab just to get
>> services like O&M.
>> there just has to be a way.
>> I have a really good instructor who also worked at a guide dog school.
>> Not all people are working or going to school.
>> they just want to live their life.
>> Might have to ask my instructor.
>> I am curious now.
>> best wishes,
>> Sincerely,
>> Melissa R Green
>> "Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole
>> staircase." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Julie M.
>> I agree wholeheartedly.  Being afraid to go out is very sad.  It also
>> disgusts me to hear of people who want to get training but can't find anyone
>> to provide it.  It ought to be a basic thing provided by any state agency
>> for the blind, to help any blind person who asks for it get timely training
>> in O&M.  Is there anything we can do about this?  And I don't mean just
>> telling everyone to take several months out of their lives to attend an NFB
>> center.  That's useful, but not always practical, IMO.
>> 
>> Hector Chevigny, in My Eyes Have A Cold Nose, wrote that he thought it was
>> better for newly-blinded people to get a dog and get on about their lives,
>> rather than waiting on some agency for service forever, and, often enough,
>> being taught by the agency that he or she needed sighted help for
>> everything.  Now, that was written in the 1940's or early '50's, but I can
>> still see some merit in the argument.
>> It's a darned good thing that Leader has its cane class.  I wish there were
>> more options for people who can't seem to get the services they need.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie McGinnity" <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi Tracey,
>>> 
>>> I agree with you, and that's a great speech.  I think it's great to
>>> work on O&M skills, but some people just have a harder time with
>>> directions and orientation.  Does that mean this should stop them?
>>> No.  But it does mean that they have to ask for help more often when
>>> finding a particular place or navigating somewhere for the first time.
>>> It's about independence: getting where you need to go with no
>>> inconvenience to yourself or others.
>>> 
>>> The tools we use to do this don't matter as much as that we are
>>> getting out there and doing what we want to accomplish.  We all know
>>> people who's skills may not be as good or who may not do things the
>>> "right" way--or so we think, but let's work harder to encourage those
>>> people who don't go anywhere, feel like they can't travel, or are too
>>> afraid to get training of any kind.  Those cases to me are truly sad.
>>> 
>>>> On 1/30/14, Darla Rogers <djrogers0628 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Tracy,
>>>> 
>>>> I couldn't agree more, and sadly, we will see more peo9ple without
>>>> skills perhaps as good as yours or mine, but if you can do what you need
>>>> to
>>>> do, in a manner that is comfortable for you, far be it for me to judge
>>>> your
>>>> independence or lack thereof.
>>>> Darla & Handsome Huck
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:03 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] O&M skills
>>>> 
>>>> While I agree that good orientation skills are an excellent thing, and
>>>> make
>>>> using a dog a lot better for both partners, I've known some people who
>>>> didn't seem capable of finding their way out of the proverbial paper bag,
>>>> and yet used the dog effectively to get where they wanted to go.
>>>> A late lamented friend of mine always seemed confused about which way to
>>>> go,
>>>> but he travelled all over the country and the world, going places I'm
>>>> sure
>>>> I'll never go.  Was he the ideal dog user?  No.  Did he get where he
>>>> wanted
>>>> to go, when he wanted to get there?  Absolutely.  Yet he was sneered at
>>>> by
>>>> people who seldom stepped outside their familiar routes.
>>>> 
>>>> I recommend people read, or re-read, Jernigan's essay, The Nature of
>>>> Independence, which I'm sure is somewhere on nfb.org. Dr. Jernigan argues
>>>> persuasively that getting where you want to go when you want to go is the
>>>> quintessence of independence, and judging others for how they accomplish
>>>> that goal is not particularly useful.
>>>> All I'm trying to say is, we can encourage people to improve their O&M
>>>> to
>>>> a
>>>> high standard, and help them find the resources they need to do so, but
>>>> not
>>>> look down on them if they're unable to do it, or assume that, if their
>>>> O&M
>>>> doesn't seem excellent, that they are not independent people getting
>>>> where
>>>> they want to go.
>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Julie McG
>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National
>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
>>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>>> life."
>>> John 3:16
>>> 
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