[nagdu] O&M skills

Fri Jan 31 16:37:40 UTC 2014

i KNOW SOME FOLKS WILL DO IT PRIVATELY BUT YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE TO PAY THEM. 
L
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From: <cape.amanda at gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills


> Me too. I live in Montreal and am forever on a waiting list.
>
> Amanda
>
>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:22 AM, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Melissa.
>> Please do ask.  I think there are lots of people who'd like to know, 
>> including me.
>> Tracy
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "melissa R green" 
>> <graduate56 at juno.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 11:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills
>>
>>
>>> I wonder if there is a way to get around being a client of rehab just to 
>>> get
>>> services like O&M.
>>> there just has to be a way.
>>> I have a really good instructor who also worked at a guide dog school.
>>> Not all people are working or going to school.
>>> they just want to live their life.
>>> Might have to ask my instructor.
>>> I am curious now.
>>> best wishes,
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Melissa R Green
>>> "Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole
>>> staircase." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione" 
>>> <carcione at access.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Julie M.
>>> I agree wholeheartedly.  Being afraid to go out is very sad.  It also
>>> disgusts me to hear of people who want to get training but can't find 
>>> anyone
>>> to provide it.  It ought to be a basic thing provided by any state 
>>> agency
>>> for the blind, to help any blind person who asks for it get timely 
>>> training
>>> in O&M.  Is there anything we can do about this?  And I don't mean just
>>> telling everyone to take several months out of their lives to attend an 
>>> NFB
>>> center.  That's useful, but not always practical, IMO.
>>>
>>> Hector Chevigny, in My Eyes Have A Cold Nose, wrote that he thought it 
>>> was
>>> better for newly-blinded people to get a dog and get on about their 
>>> lives,
>>> rather than waiting on some agency for service forever, and, often 
>>> enough,
>>> being taught by the agency that he or she needed sighted help for
>>> everything.  Now, that was written in the 1940's or early '50's, but I 
>>> can
>>> still see some merit in the argument.
>>> It's a darned good thing that Leader has its cane class.  I wish there 
>>> were
>>> more options for people who can't seem to get the services they need.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie McGinnity" 
>>> <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Tracey,
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you, and that's a great speech.  I think it's great to
>>>> work on O&M skills, but some people just have a harder time with
>>>> directions and orientation.  Does that mean this should stop them?
>>>> No.  But it does mean that they have to ask for help more often when
>>>> finding a particular place or navigating somewhere for the first time.
>>>> It's about independence: getting where you need to go with no
>>>> inconvenience to yourself or others.
>>>>
>>>> The tools we use to do this don't matter as much as that we are
>>>> getting out there and doing what we want to accomplish.  We all know
>>>> people who's skills may not be as good or who may not do things the
>>>> "right" way--or so we think, but let's work harder to encourage those
>>>> people who don't go anywhere, feel like they can't travel, or are too
>>>> afraid to get training of any kind.  Those cases to me are truly sad.
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/30/14, Darla Rogers <djrogers0628 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Tracy,
>>>>>
>>>>> I couldn't agree more, and sadly, we will see more peo9ple without
>>>>> skills perhaps as good as yours or mine, but if you can do what you 
>>>>> need
>>>>> to
>>>>> do, in a manner that is comfortable for you, far be it for me to judge
>>>>> your
>>>>> independence or lack thereof.
>>>>> Darla & Handsome Huck
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy 
>>>>> Carcione
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:03 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] O&M skills
>>>>>
>>>>> While I agree that good orientation skills are an excellent thing, and
>>>>> make
>>>>> using a dog a lot better for both partners, I've known some people who
>>>>> didn't seem capable of finding their way out of the proverbial paper 
>>>>> bag,
>>>>> and yet used the dog effectively to get where they wanted to go.
>>>>> A late lamented friend of mine always seemed confused about which way 
>>>>> to
>>>>> go,
>>>>> but he travelled all over the country and the world, going places I'm
>>>>> sure
>>>>> I'll never go.  Was he the ideal dog user?  No.  Did he get where he
>>>>> wanted
>>>>> to go, when he wanted to get there?  Absolutely.  Yet he was sneered 
>>>>> at
>>>>> by
>>>>> people who seldom stepped outside their familiar routes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I recommend people read, or re-read, Jernigan's essay, The Nature of
>>>>> Independence, which I'm sure is somewhere on nfb.org. Dr. Jernigan 
>>>>> argues
>>>>> persuasively that getting where you want to go when you want to go is 
>>>>> the
>>>>> quintessence of independence, and judging others for how they 
>>>>> accomplish
>>>>> that goal is not particularly useful.
>>>>> All I'm trying to say is, we can encourage people to improve their O&M
>>>>> to
>>>>> a
>>>>> high standard, and help them find the resources they need to do so, 
>>>>> but
>>>>> not
>>>>> look down on them if they're unable to do it, or assume that, if their
>>>>> O&M
>>>>> doesn't seem excellent, that they are not independent people getting
>>>>> where
>>>>> they want to go.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Julie McG
>>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National
>>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
>>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
>>>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008
>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>>>> life."
>>>> John 3:16
>>>>
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