[nagdu] O&M skills

Fri Jan 31 17:43:38 UTC 2014

You'd have to look in tyour area. The one I know probably wouldn't. Last I 
knew he was based in Kalamazoo.
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills


> Would they come to Montreal?
>
> Amanda
>
>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:37 AM, "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> i KNOW SOME FOLKS WILL DO IT PRIVATELY BUT YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE TO PAY 
>> THEM. L
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <cape.amanda at gmail.com>
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>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 11:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills
>>
>>
>>> Me too. I live in Montreal and am forever on a waiting list.
>>>
>>> Amanda
>>>
>>>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:22 AM, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Melissa.
>>>> Please do ask.  I think there are lots of people who'd like to know, 
>>>> including me.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "melissa R green" 
>>>> <graduate56 at juno.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 11:00 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if there is a way to get around being a client of rehab just 
>>>>> to get
>>>>> services like O&M.
>>>>> there just has to be a way.
>>>>> I have a really good instructor who also worked at a guide dog school.
>>>>> Not all people are working or going to school.
>>>>> they just want to live their life.
>>>>> Might have to ask my instructor.
>>>>> I am curious now.
>>>>> best wishes,
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Melissa R Green
>>>>> "Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole
>>>>> staircase." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione" 
>>>>> <carcione at access.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:17 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Julie M.
>>>>> I agree wholeheartedly.  Being afraid to go out is very sad.  It also
>>>>> disgusts me to hear of people who want to get training but can't find 
>>>>> anyone
>>>>> to provide it.  It ought to be a basic thing provided by any state 
>>>>> agency
>>>>> for the blind, to help any blind person who asks for it get timely 
>>>>> training
>>>>> in O&M.  Is there anything we can do about this?  And I don't mean 
>>>>> just
>>>>> telling everyone to take several months out of their lives to attend 
>>>>> an NFB
>>>>> center.  That's useful, but not always practical, IMO.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hector Chevigny, in My Eyes Have A Cold Nose, wrote that he thought it 
>>>>> was
>>>>> better for newly-blinded people to get a dog and get on about their 
>>>>> lives,
>>>>> rather than waiting on some agency for service forever, and, often 
>>>>> enough,
>>>>> being taught by the agency that he or she needed sighted help for
>>>>> everything.  Now, that was written in the 1940's or early '50's, but I 
>>>>> can
>>>>> still see some merit in the argument.
>>>>> It's a darned good thing that Leader has its cane class.  I wish there 
>>>>> were
>>>>> more options for people who can't seem to get the services they need.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie McGinnity" 
>>>>> <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:52 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M skills
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Tracey,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with you, and that's a great speech.  I think it's great to
>>>>>> work on O&M skills, but some people just have a harder time with
>>>>>> directions and orientation.  Does that mean this should stop them?
>>>>>> No.  But it does mean that they have to ask for help more often when
>>>>>> finding a particular place or navigating somewhere for the first 
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>> It's about independence: getting where you need to go with no
>>>>>> inconvenience to yourself or others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The tools we use to do this don't matter as much as that we are
>>>>>> getting out there and doing what we want to accomplish.  We all know
>>>>>> people who's skills may not be as good or who may not do things the
>>>>>> "right" way--or so we think, but let's work harder to encourage those
>>>>>> people who don't go anywhere, feel like they can't travel, or are too
>>>>>> afraid to get training of any kind.  Those cases to me are truly sad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/30/14, Darla Rogers <djrogers0628 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Tracy,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I couldn't agree more, and sadly, we will see more peo9ple without
>>>>>>> skills perhaps as good as yours or mine, but if you can do what you 
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> do, in a manner that is comfortable for you, far be it for me to 
>>>>>>> judge
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> independence or lack thereof.
>>>>>>> Darla & Handsome Huck
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy 
>>>>>>> Carcione
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:03 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] O&M skills
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While I agree that good orientation skills are an excellent thing, 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> using a dog a lot better for both partners, I've known some people 
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> didn't seem capable of finding their way out of the proverbial paper 
>>>>>>> bag,
>>>>>>> and yet used the dog effectively to get where they wanted to go.
>>>>>>> A late lamented friend of mine always seemed confused about which 
>>>>>>> way to
>>>>>>> go,
>>>>>>> but he travelled all over the country and the world, going places 
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>> I'll never go.  Was he the ideal dog user?  No.  Did he get where he
>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>> to go, when he wanted to get there?  Absolutely.  Yet he was sneered 
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> people who seldom stepped outside their familiar routes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I recommend people read, or re-read, Jernigan's essay, The Nature of
>>>>>>> Independence, which I'm sure is somewhere on nfb.org. Dr. Jernigan 
>>>>>>> argues
>>>>>>> persuasively that getting where you want to go when you want to go 
>>>>>>> is the
>>>>>>> quintessence of independence, and judging others for how they 
>>>>>>> accomplish
>>>>>>> that goal is not particularly useful.
>>>>>>> All I'm trying to say is, we can encourage people to improve their 
>>>>>>> O&M
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> high standard, and help them find the resources they need to do so, 
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> look down on them if they're unable to do it, or assume that, if 
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> O&M
>>>>>>> doesn't seem excellent, that they are not independent people getting
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> they want to go.
>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Julie McG
>>>>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National
>>>>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
>>>>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
>>>>>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008
>>>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>>>>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>>>>>> life."
>>>>>> John 3:16
>>>>>>
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