[nagdu] ~Moving away from correction collar

[Daryl Marie]

Julie,
You said:
Could it be that this added information allows 
you to intercede before she gets herself into trouble?  Or that because you 
know corrections are not possible, you are actively seeking other ways to 
manage the situation?

Perhaps both are true to a point, but she herself seems to be less inclined to get distracted by her favorite tree or the little kid on the bus... I think it's more complicated than "it's me/it's her", so perhaps a little bit of everything all rolled into one.

A buckle collar? What's that?  Is that one that snaps in place, or one that buckles like a belt?  I assume the clip one could snap off if she decides to run for that doggie around the corner...

Daryl and Jenny
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com>
To: Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca>, NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 04:53:42 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: [nagdu] ~Moving away from correction collar

Daryl,

I'm guessing it's more you than her.  You said that you get more feedback 
with the collar this way.  Could it be that this added information allows 
you to intercede before she gets herself into trouble?  Or that because you 
know corrections are not possible, you are actively seeking other ways to 
manage the situation?

Once just for an experiment, I took Monty out in harness with no leash at 
all.  He was fine, but me, not so much.  I had no idea how much information 
I got from the leash and collar.   I knew which way he was indicating to go, 
but all the subtlety of his head movements was all but gone.   If there's 
something going on he looks at it as we approach so he can judge whether we 
should stop, go around, keep going or whatever.  that was lost.  He'd 
indicate something and I'd have no idea what to do next.  Ever try using 
your cane with a really thick pair of mittens?  that's the closest I can 
come to comparing.

I would suggest a buckle collar if you like this means of working with 
Jenny.  It will fit better and probably give you even more information.

Julie


-----Original Message----- 
From: Daryl Marie via nagdu
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 8:17 PM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nagdu] ~Moving away from correction collar

Hi!

Not sure what it is, or if this is coincidence, but the past couple of days 
I have moved Jenny's leash from the correction collar to the dead ring.  As 
a result, this has given me considerably more feedback from Jenny, better 
walks, and decreased distraction time.  Even going out to the back yard, she 
did considerably better with the leash clipped to the dead ring rather than 
the correction collar.

Perhaps this is because she doesn't like the corrections, or the corrections 
are just not effective? Any idea why, for those of you who know more about 
positive-reinforcement?


It is by no means perfect - she scrounged her way to a doggie buffet of a 
slice of pizza - but I am seriously contemplating using the dead ring or a 
regular collar more often.

Thoughts?

Daryl and Jenny

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