[nagdu] ~Moving away from correction collar

[Raven Tolliver]

Daryl,
I use a buckle collar for the Golden Guy; it buckles like a belt.
They're very easy to find at any place that sells pet supplies. I
eschew places like Pet Smart, but that's where I purchased it.
There are quick-release collars as well that snap together with male
and female clips. A girlfriend of mine uses those kinds of collars for
working her labby girl.
It is still possible to give a leash correction with any collar. A
leash correction doesn't necessarily involve tightening pressure
around a dog's neck, but simply applying pressure to the dog's neck
via the leash and collar.


On 7/4/14, Daryl Marie via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Julie,
> You said:
> Could it be that this added information allows
> you to intercede before she gets herself into trouble?  Or that because you
> know corrections are not possible, you are actively seeking other ways to
> manage the situation?
>
> Perhaps both are true to a point, but she herself seems to be less inclined
> to get distracted by her favorite tree or the little kid on the bus... I
> think it's more complicated than "it's me/it's her", so perhaps a little bit
> of everything all rolled into one.
>
> A buckle collar? What's that?  Is that one that snaps in place, or one that
> buckles like a belt?  I assume the clip one could snap off if she decides to
> run for that doggie around the corner...
>
> Daryl and Jenny
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca>, NAGDU Mailing List,the National
> Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 04:53:42 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ~Moving away from correction collar
>
> Daryl,
>
> I'm guessing it's more you than her.  You said that you get more feedback
> with the collar this way.  Could it be that this added information allows
> you to intercede before she gets herself into trouble?  Or that because you
> know corrections are not possible, you are actively seeking other ways to
> manage the situation?
>
> Once just for an experiment, I took Monty out in harness with no leash at
> all.  He was fine, but me, not so much.  I had no idea how much information
> I got from the leash and collar.   I knew which way he was indicating to go,
> but all the subtlety of his head movements was all but gone.   If there's
> something going on he looks at it as we approach so he can judge whether we
> should stop, go around, keep going or whatever.  that was lost.  He'd
> indicate something and I'd have no idea what to do next.  Ever try using
> your cane with a really thick pair of mittens?  that's the closest I can
> come to comparing.
>
> I would suggest a buckle collar if you like this means of working with
> Jenny.  It will fit better and probably give you even more information.
>
> Julie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daryl Marie via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 8:17 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] ~Moving away from correction collar
>
> Hi!
>
> Not sure what it is, or if this is coincidence, but the past couple of days
> I have moved Jenny's leash from the correction collar to the dead ring.  As
> a result, this has given me considerably more feedback from Jenny, better
> walks, and decreased distraction time.  Even going out to the back yard, she
> did considerably better with the leash clipped to the dead ring rather than
> the correction collar.
>
> Perhaps this is because she doesn't like the corrections, or the corrections
> are just not effective? Any idea why, for those of you who know more about
> positive-reinforcement?
>
>
> It is by no means perfect - she scrounged her way to a doggie buffet of a
> slice of pizza - but I am seriously contemplating using the dead ring or a
> regular collar more often.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Daryl and Jenny
>
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