[nagdu] ~Moving away from correction collar

Fri Jul 4 18:46:04 UTC 2014

Raven and Daryl, 
I work all my dogs in either flat or martingale collars made of cloth.  The martingale is for the Doberman, who has the typical dobe problem of her neck being larger than her head, so the flat one slides off.  I have dextarity issues, so use the plastic clips and I have not had mine break.  A break away collar is different and is designed to break if dog puts pressure on the collar— like if the collar got caught on something.  
You can buy flat collars anywhere, either with buckles or fastex snaps like I have.  
Good luck! 

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> On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Raven Tolliver via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Daryl,
> I use a buckle collar for the Golden Guy; it buckles like a belt.
> They're very easy to find at any place that sells pet supplies. I
> eschew places like Pet Smart, but that's where I purchased it.
> There are quick-release collars as well that snap together with male
> and female clips. A girlfriend of mine uses those kinds of collars for
> working her labby girl.
> It is still possible to give a leash correction with any collar. A
> leash correction doesn't necessarily involve tightening pressure
> around a dog's neck, but simply applying pressure to the dog's neck
> via the leash and collar.
> 
> 
>> On 7/4/14, Daryl Marie via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Julie,
>> You said:
>> Could it be that this added information allows
>> you to intercede before she gets herself into trouble?  Or that because you
>> know corrections are not possible, you are actively seeking other ways to
>> manage the situation?
>> 
>> Perhaps both are true to a point, but she herself seems to be less inclined
>> to get distracted by her favorite tree or the little kid on the bus... I
>> think it's more complicated than "it's me/it's her", so perhaps a little bit
>> of everything all rolled into one.
>> 
>> A buckle collar? What's that?  Is that one that snaps in place, or one that
>> buckles like a belt?  I assume the clip one could snap off if she decides to
>> run for that doggie around the corner...
>> 
>> Daryl and Jenny
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> To: Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca>, NAGDU Mailing List,the National
>> Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 04:53:42 -0600 (MDT)
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ~Moving away from correction collar
>> 
>> Daryl,
>> 
>> I'm guessing it's more you than her.  You said that you get more feedback
>> with the collar this way.  Could it be that this added information allows
>> you to intercede before she gets herself into trouble?  Or that because you
>> know corrections are not possible, you are actively seeking other ways to
>> manage the situation?
>> 
>> Once just for an experiment, I took Monty out in harness with no leash at
>> all.  He was fine, but me, not so much.  I had no idea how much information
>> I got from the leash and collar.   I knew which way he was indicating to go,
>> but all the subtlety of his head movements was all but gone.   If there's
>> something going on he looks at it as we approach so he can judge whether we
>> should stop, go around, keep going or whatever.  that was lost.  He'd
>> indicate something and I'd have no idea what to do next.  Ever try using
>> your cane with a really thick pair of mittens?  that's the closest I can
>> come to comparing.
>> 
>> I would suggest a buckle collar if you like this means of working with
>> Jenny.  It will fit better and probably give you even more information.
>> 
>> Julie
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Daryl Marie via nagdu
>> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 8:17 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] ~Moving away from correction collar
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> Not sure what it is, or if this is coincidence, but the past couple of days
>> I have moved Jenny's leash from the correction collar to the dead ring.  As
>> a result, this has given me considerably more feedback from Jenny, better
>> walks, and decreased distraction time.  Even going out to the back yard, she
>> did considerably better with the leash clipped to the dead ring rather than
>> the correction collar.
>> 
>> Perhaps this is because she doesn't like the corrections, or the corrections
>> are just not effective? Any idea why, for those of you who know more about
>> positive-reinforcement?
>> 
>> 
>> It is by no means perfect - she scrounged her way to a doggie buffet of a
>> slice of pizza - but I am seriously contemplating using the dead ring or a
>> regular collar more often.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> Daryl and Jenny
>> 
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