[nagdu] Natural Remedies

Mon Jul 28 08:29:46 UTC 2014

Raven, can you write me off list. I have some questions for you, about
natural medicine for humans. Thanks!

On 7/28/14, Helga Schreiber via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Raven and Sherry, this is Helga!  How are you both? I just wanted to
> ask you, can you guys write me off list? I would like to talk to you
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>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 1:48 AM, Corinne via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Raven,
>> This is the exact approach that I follow for my own health, that of my
>> family, and animals.  I do appreciate your posts on the topic and
>> especially the informational websites you quote.  Please continue, your
>> knowledge is most valuable.
>> Thanks so much,
>> Corinne
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raven Tolliver via nagdu"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at gmail.com>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the National
>> Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Natural Remedies
>>
>>
>>> Ladies,
>>> There is research on and documented cases pertaining to an array of
>>> natural modalities. If you look, you will certainly find it. The FDA
>>> will not approve it because they will not make money from it. How can
>>> they make money off of a healthy person who eats right and adds
>>> nutritional herbs and botanicals to their food. They can't.
>>> The side effects that many people suffer from when they venture into
>>> botanical medicine or other natural modalities is actually detox
>>> symptoms. People who are not educated about what they are doing and
>>> simply do something because someone suggested it will not know what to
>>> expect from their bodies. Just as doctors ought to educate patients
>>> about what might happen when they take a certain medication, so should
>>> anyone else offering medical advice whether it is natural or not,
>>> especially if the person is certified in their field.
>>> Anyhow, detox symptoms are often mistaken for allergies, side effects,
>>> and bad reactions. What it happening is the body is eliminating toxins
>>> through the skin, its largest organ, and sometimes through the
>>> digestive or urinary system. To illustrate this better, let's consider
>>> homeopathy. The rule of homeopathy is "like cures like." This means
>>> using botanicals to treat the very reaction that they are able to
>>> elicit. By doing this, it speeds the body's healing since the symptom
>>> or sign of imbalance is provoked and drawn out of the body. Of course,
>>> it is miserable when it happens, but pain and discomfort are a
>>> necessary part of healing.
>>> Also, this may come as a shock, but the studies that many people put
>>> faith in concerning allopathic medicine are not as in-depth as they
>>> would believe, especially when it comes to pet products. What often
>>> happens is a medicine is given for a certain amount of time. Let's say
>>> 4 months. Scientists realize that after 4 months, the animals start
>>> having bad reactions or just pass away. So they'll perform more
>>> studies, but shorten them to 2 months or 3 months, just so the bad
>>> reactions are rare or eliminated. Then they can say that side effects
>>> are rare. Consumers believe it, but the researchers know that
>>> reactions are only rare within a certain time period. So the side
>>> effects that we know about for meds are usually not comprehensive or
>>> all-inclusive. Money talks.
>>> About side effects to natural medicine, of course it is possible to be
>>> allergic to certain things. And in that case, there's something wrong
>>> with the body in question, not the treatment. When your body starts
>>> mistaking good things for bad things, the body has an imbalance that
>>> needs fixing or accommodating.
>>> Also, botanical medicine and other natural modalities do not involve
>>> lengthy or excessive exposure to known poisons. Yes, there are some
>>> natural substances that are dangerous in large or long term doses, and
>>> in that case, limited exposure is used. Many times in naturopathy, the
>>> rule is "less is more." On the other hand, people practicing and
>>> subscribing to allopathic medicine seem to believe that more is most
>>> effective. More pills, more antibiotics, more steroids, more medicine,
>>> more vaccinations, more pesticides, more poison. So what if any of it
>>> is known to cause liver damage, kidney failure, immune disease,
>>> cancer, or neurotoxicity? All that matters is that you make the
>>> symptoms stop.
>>> Allopathic medicine is about stopping the symptoms rather than working
>>> with the body to heal itself. Suppress the problem don't draw it out.
>>> Prevent and treat sickness rather than promoting health. My problem is
>>> not just the poisons, but the whole mindset. Scientifically proven
>>> means nothing to me when you want to approach medicine in a way that
>>> causes disease via exposure to toxin after toxin under the guise of
>>> disease prevention, rather than working actively to prevent sickness
>>> by promoting balance in the body. That is what health is. Not the
>>> absence of disease, but the presence of balance and optimal bodily
>>> function overall.
>>> Whether you use naturopathy or allopathy, you should never just follow
>>> anyone's advice. You should educate yourself and act based on your
>>> conclusions. The health care of you and those in your care is your
>>> responsibility and no one else's. In the age of information, there is
>>> no excuse for ignorance. Too many people don't research what they are
>>> putting into their own and their pets bodies, and they expect that
>>> doctors or vets just know what's best because they have a degree, and
>>> they could not be more far from the truth. Those people specialize in
>>> marketing skills and customer satisfaction. They just need to know how
>>> to pedal the meds, and give people what they want, which is something
>>> to make the nastiness go away in most cases.
>>> I was there. When I first got my dog, I believe that all the
>>> professionals knew what they were talking about since they had been
>>> doing this for x number of years and I was new to it all. Boy, was I
>>> wrong! After my dog's minor health problems, I started researching,
>>> and never stopped. I quickly learned that I had been lied to, and it
>>> was no one's fault but my own. It was my choice to accept advice at
>>> face value without researching it first. This is why I usually post
>>> research whenever I spout off about one natural remedy or another.
>>> Because I understand the value of educating yourself. I understand the
>>> feeling that you were dooped and cheated by a person whose advice you
>>> trusted. I understand the shame of realizing that it was your ow fault
>>> for acting without questioning first.
>>> I put this stuff out there for people to consider it, and to let
>>> others know that there is always an alternative. Even to the dreaded
>>> conventional heart worm treatment that people fear, there are
>>> alternatives. Most people wouldn't think there is because they
>>> subscribe to allopathy and worship it as if that very type of medicine
>>> is not destroying lives with its supposed advances in medicine.
>>> Naturopathy understands that there are always alternatives, and that
>>> no 2 people will receive one treatment for the same issue.
>>> Naturopathic medicine is tailored to the workings of each individuals
>>> body in order to restore balance. Naturopathy, like positive
>>> reinforcement training, is about starting with the least invasive
>>> methods, then progressing to more invasive treatments if the previous
>>> ones were ineffective.
>>>
>>>> On 7/27/14, Sherry Gomes via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> I actually tend to agree with you Becky. I'
>>>> I've stayed out of the conversation because I have strong feelings
>>>> against
>>>> natural remedies for humans, let alone pets. I was born with a juvenile
>>>> rheumatoid arthritis. It's an auto immune disease. But as a child, I
>>>> was
>>>> bombarded by the well meaning but insensitive prattle of adults, telling
>>>> me
>>>> the things my parents should do to cure my arthritis. Finally, my
>>>> parents
>>>> had my doctors tell me the truth about my disease. I became a skeptic
>>>> by
>>>> necessity. as an adult, just for the heck of it, I tried a couple
>>>> natural
>>>> things, I think alfalfa tablets once and fish oil capsules once. Of
>>>> course
>>>> neither worked, because they can't fix an auto immune disease. Several
>>>> years
>>>> ago, someone actually told me if I followed a specific diet and used
>>>> things
>>>> like glucosamine, it would regenerate my damaged joints, even the
>>>> artificial
>>>> ones and the fused knee that doesn't have a real knee joint either. So,
>>>> I
>>>> approach natural remedies for dogs with the same innate skepticism. Now,
>>>> I
>>>> do live in Colorado, and we don't have to do flea treatments here, but I
>>>> do
>>>> give my dogs monthly heartworm preventative in the warm weather months,
>>>> and
>>>> I'm not worried about the possible consequences of it, because I'd
>>>> rather
>>>> do
>>>> that than risk the dog getting heartworm, as the treatment for it is
>>>> far
>>>> more severe than the prevention. I hesitated a long time to give my old
>>>> retired dog glucosamine, and though I do it, I'm not at all convinced
>>>> it
>>>> does anything for her either way, but she likes the edible pills, so
>>>> I'm
>>>> okay with her eating them.
>>>>
>>>> Sherry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Becky
>>>> Frankeberger via nagdu
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 5:12 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Natural Remedies
>>>>
>>>> You know all I respect your right to do whatever is kind to your dogs.
>>>> But
>>>> most of the natural stuff is not and I repeat not scientifically
>>>> proven.
>>>>
>>>> They do not do double blind studies. So this vet group is just making
>>>> lots
>>>> of money using our dogs as lab rats. Now granted there are some things
>>>> that
>>>> they can prove that work in double blind studies with different
>>>> scientists
>>>> and vets getting the same results. But they would rather sell you
>>>> unproven
>>>> snake oil.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know a gal with a master's degree who will not use vets unless
>>>> nothing
>>>> she
>>>> tries is working. Many of her herbs and sprays do work in part. But her
>>>> natural flea spray she does faithfully every day give her at least one
>>>> bout
>>>> of flea infestation a year. I have had one in twenty one years. I live
>>>> around cedar trees use cedar beds thus according to the natural vets I
>>>> shouldn't have to use the pesticides on my dogs. Got news for the
>>>> natural
>>>> vets, you're wrong again. That one flea infestation was following your
>>>> advice by my husband.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now do I use the pesticides on my dogs every month, no, as those cedar
>>>> trees
>>>> do give a level of protection. Under all the blond hair is a brain I
>>>> use
>>>> liberally.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do I think vets and naturalist vets are a good idea, I do. But to throw
>>>> western medicine out is just foolish talk. The oil my friend rubs on
>>>> her
>>>> arthritic hands works well for her. Having only hard wood in my
>>>> friend's
>>>> home is keeping her asthma at bay. Using the spray in her dog's mouth
>>>> she
>>>> says is keeping tarter down in her dog's teeth. I have no idea if this
>>>> spray
>>>> works. She doesn't go to vets so I doubt her dog has had their teeth
>>>> checked
>>>> from the last rabies shot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am not into vaccinating every year. This was great to hear from Dr.
>>>> Hauly
>>>>
>>>> in 07 when I was at Seeing eye.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, read everything on the product good and bad that you want to
>>>> use.
>>>>
>>>> Don't use your $60,000 dog as a lab rat. Look for good studies using
>>>> many
>>>> many dogs. What are the side effects so you can be prepared to act if
>>>> you
>>>> need to. What are the signs to look for? Even natural herbs and stuff
>>>> has
>>>> side effects. Remember marijuana  is a herb. You will poison your dog if
>>>> he
>>>> gets an edible. If he does get an edible marijuana  , take him to the
>>>> vet
>>>> fast. Don't smoke around your dogs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Look for only board certified herbalists and Doctors for you and your
>>>> pup.
>>>> I
>>>> remember buying a herbal supplement from my Chiropracter. I broke out in
>>>> a
>>>> rash. She told me that rash was not one of the side affects she, by the
>>>> way,
>>>> never told me about. I told her add it to the list, as I showed her my
>>>> broken out area. She with twenty five years experience selling snake
>>>> oil,
>>>> as
>>>> she was not Board certified, gasped. I stopped the herb and the
>>>> horrible
>>>> rash went away.  So think about that as you give your dog concocktions
>>>> of
>>>> herbs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just my opinion, never ever meant to hurt anyone's feelings..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just giving another viewpoint, shy smile.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Becky and Jake
>>>>
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