[nagdu] Dogs finding things here and abroad

Thu Jun 5 18:53:08 UTC 2014

Hi  Tracy:

That was very funny. I never thought of it that way when I'm out of sorts and just tell Bogart to find the way. Didn't realize how spiritual the whole thing could be. :)

With regards to teaching bogart to find the cross walk buttons, it was one of the first things I worked on when I got home. I under estimated my dogs brightness so just started by teaching him to find the pole that the button was on. However, I realized my mistake when at larger intersections where the audible signal was automatic, bogart would take me to the big light stand pole. Okay, good point, I really don't want you to find the pole but Iwant you to find the b utton. So we modified that. I often give him a treat for finding the button but if he chooses to sniff the base of the pole then I figure that is his treat. I let him sniffor a few seconds and then get him to hop up to the curb.

My school never taught find the way but i gave it a try once and it worked. It works good when there are barriers or something that Ican't figure out. I tell him to find the way and be patient and most times the result is positive.

>From Gary and  my spiritual leader Bogart

On June 5, 2014 10:09:13 AM PDT, Tracy Carcione via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>I had heard that Leader and GDF both teach a lot of "find the ...".  Is
>that 
>not true anymore?
>
>My very favorite is GDF's "Find the Way", with it's marvellous mystical
>
>connotations, as one who studies the Tao. Who better to find the Way
>than a 
>dog?
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Dan Weiner via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>To: "'Craig Heaps'" <craig.heaps at comcast.net>; "'NAGDU Mailing List,the
>
>National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 12:18 PM
>Subject: [nagdu] Dogs finding things here and abroad
>
>
>> Now here is a question.
>> Having looked over the archives I see Viviana asks about the
>differences
>> between guide dogs here and abroad.
>> This  queery, , coupled with our thread about finding the light poles
>or 
>> the
>> button etc brings me to a question:.
>>
>> Dog guide handlers, users, whatever you want to say from other
>countries
>> tell me about their dogs being trained to find seats, poles, really
>all
>> sorts of things and it does seem from talking to them (some of them I
>do
>> trust as I've known them for years) it seems that the dogs are
>successful 
>> at
>> doing this and really are good at it right out of training.
>> In the case of all of my dogs, they have learned but it has taken me 
>> halling
>> butt and working really hard at it to get it  to be consistent.
>> This is not only the case with me but with most or all of my dog
>guide 
>> using
>> friends here.
>>
>> Also the web sites and literature from the guide dog organizations
>abroad
>> talk about the dogs being trained to find myriad things, seats, bus
>stops
>> mail boxes, doors (the dog putting their nose on the handle),
>benches, 
>> many
>> many things.
>> So, are the dogs in Europe say taught in a mmore consistent way to
>dfind
>> things and then why isn't it that our dogs aren't?
>>
>> Curious to hear points of view on this or maybe say, from our Swedish
>
>> guide
>> dog user here as to how things aare there and opinionions from
>everyone on
>> this subject.
>>
>> Cordially,
>>
>> Dan and the Parker Pup
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Craig
>Heaps via
>> nagdu
>> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 12:01 PM
>> To: Daryl Marie; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>Dog
>> Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crosswalk light success!
>>
>> Yay!
>>
>> I taught Chase "Find the button".  He likes that game because it
>means
>> treats.  But now he finds every button, even when I don't give the 
>> command.
>> Better all than none, I suppose.
>>
>> He also sometimes gets locked onto the dog urine odors at the base of
>the
>> pole and doesn't look up for his treat.
>>
>> Craig and Chase
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Daryl Marie via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 7:10 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Crosswalk light success!
>>
>>
>>> Hey!
>>> Ever since training with Jenny, we have struggled with scrounging
>(I've
>>> posted about this).  One of her favorite scrounging/sniffing places
>is at
>>> the base of crosswalk light poles (where you push the button to
>change 
>>> the
>>
>>> light).  On a whim on Monday night, I got off the bus one stop early
>to 
>>> do
>>
>>> some work with her on finding these posts.  It wasn't pretty.
>>> Me: Jenn, find the post.
>>> Jenny (misses the post entirely and goes around the corner)
>>> Me: Not quite, my  girl.  Let's try again.
>>> We turn around, Jenny goes right past the post while I flail around 
>>> trying
>>
>>> to find it.
>>> Rinse, lather, repeat.
>>> Third time:
>>> me: Jenny, find the post.
>>> Jenny finds the post but starts scrounging.
>>> Me: Good post, nose up.
>>> We take the corner again, turn around.
>>> Me: Jenny, find the post.
>>> Jenny finds the post, her shoulders right below the button, her nose
>is
>>> up.
>>> Me (throwing a fiesta): YAY!  Good girl!
>>>
>>> Now for the past three days, every time I ask for a post, she has
>found 
>>> it
>>
>>> perfectly and kept her nose up!  Her tail wags even before I praise
>her,
>>> because she knows she's done good!
>>>
>>> SO proud!
>>>
>>> Still need a little work on scrounging in general, but this is SO
>good!
>>>
>>> Hope this encourages those who are struggling with distractions or
>>> scrounging that it can be done.
>>>
>>> Daryl
>>>
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