[nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs

Sat Jun 7 00:20:21 UTC 2014

I again think it depends on the handler. The dog that visited here was 
perfect in his behavior. Well except for the brief Holly distraction!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barb breuer via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "Nicole" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs


>A bug or bomb sniffing dogs are not trained like a service dog is.  I 
>worked at hotel and the bug dog peed inside the hotel.  He also jumped on 
>people. Many of these kinda of dogs are very high energy, that is what 
>makes good sniffer dog.  So to me if the dog is not working, he doesn't 
>come in.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicole Torcolini via nagdu
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users, Larry 
> D Keeler
> Sent: June 5, 2014 at 9:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs
>
> Okay, sorry. It was more that the other well Intensioned thread that you 
> had started had, by no fault of yours, taken a turn in a direction that it 
> possibly did not need to go or, JMHO, could have been worded differently.
>
> Nicole
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 4, 2014, at 10:35 PM, Larry D Keeler via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Well, Raven and Nicole, seeing as I started this thread because I was 
> fascinated that this dog could sniff out even a couple of bedbugs I 
> thaught Nicole was right. But as so often happens when I get my wrist 
> slapped in public, I started thinking! Could I have refused the dog coming 
> in? Or could a nursing home refuse? Or, if the woman happened to want to 
> stop for a bite would she have to leave her heat sensative equipment in 
> the car? The dog was well trained so that at least isn't the issue. Also 
> members of the Canine unit are allowed in other places as well. And now 
> that dogs are being trained to sniff out drugs, bombs diseases and bedbugs 
> it seems that it may become harder to refuse them into businesses. Is 
> there a working dog law as well as a service dog one? and, are there 
> certain jobs listed for those working dogs that make it ok to go into 
> public places and others, and here I'm thinking of herding dogs or hunting 
> dogs, that can't go into places. If you go to the doctor and there is a 
> diabetes or cancer sniffing dog, can you refuse to have the doctor use it? 
> Well, actually I do know the answer to that one, yes! But at least in the 
> case of the bedbug sniffer dogs may be much more efficent! If we can clog 
> up the list with all of this fake service dog stuff why not think about 
> the dogs who, like our dogs have relevant jobs to do! After all, a well 
> trained dog is a well trained dog no matter what its job is! Sure, this 
> list is about guide dogs and the issues surrounding them but sometimes 
> dogs that aren't guide dogs often perform amazing and often unthaught of 
> taks. Dogs have been awarded metals for some of those jobs and I'm glad 
> that sometimes are guide dogs get some of that recognition. I had to take 
> my dogs outside for about 10 minutes and her dog was done before that! 
> They went threw the whole house and nothing was detected. I was talking to 
> her about the dogs training and she told me it was at least a couple of 
> months long and was like that of drug sniffing dogs. I mean, those bugs 
> are the size of grains of rice and she said that he could detect them even 
> if there wer only a couple. Iether those things really stink or that nose 
> is really sensative! Well, sorry I disturbed some of you with my 
> currisities but, I really did think that golden boy had an amazing nose!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raven Tolliver via nagdu" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the 
> National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs
>
>
>> IMO, these are definitely service dogs (i.e., bomb-sniffing dogs, drug
>> dogs, police dogs, and so on). I would classify those dogs that aid
>> persons with disabilities as assistance dogs. That might not be the
>> government's definition of service dog, but it wouldn't be the first
>> time I thought they got it wrong.
>>>> On 6/4/14, Nicole Torcolini via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> All,
>>>>> Can we please close this thread? No, I am not the moderator, but,
>>> JMHO, this is pushing the limit for what is considered on topic. Yes, 
>>> this
>>> is related to dogs, but it is not related to service  dogs. I don't know
>>> what you would call these dogs, perhaps working dogs, but they are not
>>> service dogs. We all know this, and the general public does not need us 
>>> to
>>> add to their confusion on the definition of service dog. Finally, this
>>> conversation seems to have taken a turn such that information that does 
>>> not
>>> necessarily belong on this list is being presented.
>>>>> Going to hide under my rock now,
>>> Nicole
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer 
>>> via
>>> nagdu
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 12:48 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs
>>>>> From what I understand, the dog doesn't smell the
>>> man's genitils, he or she sniffs the urine.
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alyssa via 
>>> nagdu
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 3:04 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs
>>>>> Lol! I feel like taut would be so awkward for the poor men. Well 
>>>>> anyway, it
>>> is quite interesting the things dogs can do. They perform services for
>>> disabilities and many other jobs alike. It is neat!
>>> Alyssa
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Tracy Carcione via nagdu
>>>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> That's easy.  He's a working dog, like a police dog, or a 
>>>>>>> bomb-sniffer
>>> dog. I heard recently that dogs can sniff out prostate cancer better 
>>> than
>>> any lab test.  Guess that's another kind of lab test--a labrador test!
>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Heaps via nagdu"
>>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of 
>>>Guide Dog Users"
>>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:26 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs
>>>>>>>>>>> That's really funny.  Not to pick nits (a different kind of 
>>>>>>>>>>> bug), but
>>>>> a
>>> dog that finds bed bugs wouldn't really be a service dog -- though it
>>> performs a service I suppose we all would find really valuable.  How 
>>> would
>>> you classify Bedbug Doug the Bedbug Dog?
>>>>>>>>> Craig and Chase, who as far as I know is bug free
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D Keeler via nagdu"
>>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>>>>> To: "doggie" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>>>>> Sent: 
>>>Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:18 AM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is slightly off topic but it does concern dogs. This 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> morning,
>>>>>> they
>>> inspected us for bedbugs. I thaught they would bring over chemicals and
>>> generally disturb everything looking for them. Well no! They braught a
>>> golden retriever and he is trained to sniff them out! he found none. I
>>> found
>>> this really interesting. The noses! I was teasing the woman who had the
>>> dog.
>>> I read a story about a guy named Bedbug Doug. I figured that Bedbug Doug
>>> the
>>> Bedbug Dog would sound great!
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