[nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs

Shanna Stichler slstich at gmail.com
Sat Jun 7 00:37:45 UTC 2014 

Dogs used for detection or law enforcement work do tend to be drivier 
and more intense than most guide or assistance dogs. The handler does, 
of course, play a big role in how these dogs behave in public.

Also, I think someone was wondering about how public access works with 
law enforcement or any dog other than a service dog working with their 
disabled handler? The only time those dogs are allowed public access if 
if they are on duty with their handler. So a police officer can't bring 
their working dog inside a restaurant on their lunch break, just as an 
example. If they're searching a restaurant for drugs or something, then 
of course the dog would be permitted.

Hopefully that makes sense. :)

Shanna

On 6/6/2014 7:20 PM, Larry D Keeler via nagdu wrote:
> I again think it depends on the handler. The dog that visited here was 
> perfect in his behavior. Well except for the brief Holly distraction!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb breuer via nagdu" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Nicole" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 6:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs
>
>
>> A bug or bomb sniffing dogs are not trained like a service dog is.  I 
>> worked at hotel and the bug dog peed inside the hotel.  He also 
>> jumped on people. Many of these kinda of dogs are very high energy, 
>> that is what makes good sniffer dog.  So to me if the dog is not 
>> working, he doesn't come in.
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nicole Torcolini via nagdu
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users, 
>> Larry D Keeler
>> Sent: June 5, 2014 at 9:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs
>>
>> Okay, sorry. It was more that the other well Intensioned thread that 
>> you had started had, by no fault of yours, taken a turn in a 
>> direction that it possibly did not need to go or, JMHO, could have 
>> been worded differently.
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 10:35 PM, Larry D Keeler via nagdu 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Well, Raven and Nicole, seeing as I started this thread because I was 
>> fascinated that this dog could sniff out even a couple of bedbugs I 
>> thaught Nicole was right. But as so often happens when I get my wrist 
>> slapped in public, I started thinking! Could I have refused the dog 
>> coming in? Or could a nursing home refuse? Or, if the woman happened 
>> to want to stop for a bite would she have to leave her heat sensative 
>> equipment in the car? The dog was well trained so that at least isn't 
>> the issue. Also members of the Canine unit are allowed in other 
>> places as well. And now that dogs are being trained to sniff out 
>> drugs, bombs diseases and bedbugs it seems that it may become harder 
>> to refuse them into businesses. Is there a working dog law as well as 
>> a service dog one? and, are there certain jobs listed for those 
>> working dogs that make it ok to go into public places and others, and 
>> here I'm thinking of herding dogs or hunting dogs, that can't go into 
>> places. If you go to the doctor and there is a diabetes or cancer 
>> sniffing dog, can you refuse to have the doctor use it? Well, 
>> actually I do know the answer to that one, yes! But at least in the 
>> case of the bedbug sniffer dogs may be much more efficent! If we can 
>> clog up the list with all of this fake service dog stuff why not 
>> think about the dogs who, like our dogs have relevant jobs to do! 
>> After all, a well trained dog is a well trained dog no matter what 
>> its job is! Sure, this list is about guide dogs and the issues 
>> surrounding them but sometimes dogs that aren't guide dogs often 
>> perform amazing and often unthaught of taks. Dogs have been awarded 
>> metals for some of those jobs and I'm glad that sometimes are guide 
>> dogs get some of that recognition. I had to take my dogs outside for 
>> about 10 minutes and her dog was done before that! They went threw 
>> the whole house and nothing was detected. I was talking to her about 
>> the dogs training and she told me it was at least a couple of months 
>> long and was like that of drug sniffing dogs. I mean, those bugs are 
>> the size of grains of rice and she said that he could detect them 
>> even if there wer only a couple. Iether those things really stink or 
>> that nose is really sensative! Well, sorry I disturbed some of you 
>> with my currisities but, I really did think that golden boy had an 
>> amazing nose!
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raven Tolliver via nagdu" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>; "NAGDU Mailing 
>> List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs
>>
>>
>>> IMO, these are definitely service dogs (i.e., bomb-sniffing dogs, drug
>>> dogs, police dogs, and so on). I would classify those dogs that aid
>>> persons with disabilities as assistance dogs. That might not be the
>>> government's definition of service dog, but it wouldn't be the first
>>> time I thought they got it wrong.
>>>>> On 6/4/14, Nicole Torcolini via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> All,
>>>>>> Can we please close this thread? No, I am not the moderator, but,
>>>> JMHO, this is pushing the limit for what is considered on topic. 
>>>> Yes, this
>>>> is related to dogs, but it is not related to service  dogs. I don't 
>>>> know
>>>> what you would call these dogs, perhaps working dogs, but they are not
>>>> service dogs. We all know this, and the general public does not 
>>>> need us to
>>>> add to their confusion on the definition of service dog. Finally, this
>>>> conversation seems to have taken a turn such that information that 
>>>> does not
>>>> necessarily belong on this list is being presented.
>>>>>> Going to hide under my rock now,
>>>> Nicole
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star 
>>>> Gazer via
>>>> nagdu
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 12:48 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs
>>>>>> From what I understand, the dog doesn't smell the
>>>> man's genitils, he or she sniffs the urine.
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alyssa 
>>>> via nagdu
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 3:04 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs
>>>>>> Lol! I feel like taut would be so awkward for the poor men. Well 
>>>>>> anyway, it
>>>> is quite interesting the things dogs can do. They perform services for
>>>> disabilities and many other jobs alike. It is neat!
>>>> Alyssa
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Tracy Carcione via nagdu
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> That's easy.  He's a working dog, like a police dog, or a 
>>>>>>>> bomb-sniffer
>>>> dog. I heard recently that dogs can sniff out prostate cancer 
>>>> better than
>>>> any lab test.  Guess that's another kind of lab test--a labrador test!
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Heaps via nagdu"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National 
>>>> Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:26 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's really funny. Not to pick nits (a different kind of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> bug), but
>>>>>> a
>>>> dog that finds bed bugs wouldn't really be a service dog -- though it
>>>> performs a service I suppose we all would find really valuable.  
>>>> How would
>>>> you classify Bedbug Doug the Bedbug Dog?
>>>>>>>>>> Craig and Chase, who as far as I know is bug free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D Keeler via 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nagdu"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>>>>> To: "doggie" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>>>>> Sent: 
>>>> Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:18 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Other Kinds of Service Dogs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is slightly off topic but it does concern dogs. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This morning,
>>>>>>> they
>>>> inspected us for bedbugs. I thaught they would bring over chemicals 
>>>> and
>>>> generally disturb everything looking for them. Well no! They braught a
>>>> golden retriever and he is trained to sniff them out! he found none. I
>>>> found
>>>> this really interesting. The noses! I was teasing the woman who had 
>>>> the
>>>> dog.
>>>> I read a story about a guy named Bedbug Doug. I figured that Bedbug 
>>>> Doug
>>>> the
>>>> Bedbug Dog would sound great!
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