[nagdu] fear and correction

Mon Jun 16 04:10:49 UTC 2014

Oh yes, because service dogs don't ever bark.
Until I returned home with the Golden Guy, my mother thought that all
service dogs had surgeries that rendered them unable to bark at all.
She sure unlearned that quickly!

Daryl, I too experienced the embarrassment of the Golden Guy barking
in harness while working. A couple months after  I got him, he barked
while I was eating in the dining hall, and another time when I was
waiting for my food at an on-campus cafe. Both times, people seemed to
think there was something wrong that he was trying to alert to, not
that he was misbehaving.

On 6/15/14, Daryl Marie via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dan,
> Thanks for this post.  I actually had a horribly embarrassing experience
> today at the mall.  I was meeting an old friend this afternoon, and Jenny
> barked at him... 3-4 times.  her bark is loud, and the spot we were in had
> quite an echo.  I was able to calm her down, but it was horribly
> embarrassing when a mall security guard came up to me and asked if she was a
> service dog...
>
> Daryl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Weiner via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: barbandzoe at comcast.net, 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
> Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:39:06 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction
>
> I think what we might be forgetting here is that these are dogs and not
> robots.
> I'm not saying to let your dog sniff or scavenge or whatever, that is a
> question of your comfort level.
> I am saying that to expect that it won't happen is making the mistake of
> thinking the dog is a robot, dogs sometimes sniff or look for food and bark
> and so on.
>
> In this way we are unwittingly falling in to the same trap as the general
> public who thinks that our dogs are super dogs.
> How many times has my dog of the moment say sniffed something and I got the
> dog's attention back and someone will say "I thought they didn't do that.".
> Or "I thought they wee trained better," or "I thought they were trained not
> to do that.".
>
> Now as far as barking, I suppose it really depends what the stimulus it is
> that is causing the problem and how often and under what circumstances.
>
> Now having said that, I do think our dogs are amazing, but not for the same
> reason as the well-meaning if sometimes educated public.
> I think the fact that we are interacting with a different species if you
> will to get our needs accomplished, in this case getting around, is a
> pretty
> inspiring thing.
>
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> Dan the man, Parker the dog
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 	 [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Barb breuer via
> nagdu
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 4:19 PM
> To: Andrew
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction
>
> I would have to agree with you.  I was always told that  when the dog is in
> harness he is working and should acted accordingly.  But when out of
> harness
> he is a well behaved dog.  In or out of harness he should listen to you.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew J. LaPointe via nagdu
> To: Sherry Gomes, NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users
> Sent: June 13, 2014 at 4:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction
>
>             Hi, at Fidelco, I was told that it was fine to let my dog sniff
> out of harness.  When the harness is on, he is to be corrected if sniffing.
>
> I was told by what I look at as an expert and very well experienced dog
> handler that barking out of harness is acceptable.  As long as they know
> the
> differences of work and just being a dog..  Andy and Shubert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sherry Gomes via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 4:34 AM
> To: 'Julie J.' ; 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction
>
> I'm the same way, out of harness sniffing and even barking are fine. I've
> found that being allowed to sniff out of harness is relaxing and as stress
> reliever for my dogs. And barking now and then doesn't bother me. None of
> my
> dogs have ever been excessive about it, barking nonstop for long periods of
> time. out of harness they are just dogs and I don't mind letting them be. I
> remember an instructor in my first guide dog class in 1975 telling us to
> remember that our guides were dogs first and guide dogs second. That's
> helped me understand my dogs better over the years but it also made me okay
> with doggie behavior like sniffing and barking.
>
> Sherry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via
> nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:30 PM
> To: Nicole Torcolini; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
> Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction
>
> But that's the thing, sniffing and barking are not a problem for me.  I
> freely allow both out of harness...unless he goes way overboard.  If that
> happens I just redirect him to something else that isn't bothersome.  I
> don't correct for sniffing or barking.
>
> Neither behavior, sniffing or barking, is an issue in harness.  Monty has
> never barked away from the house in or out of harness.  He will
> occasionally
>
> sniff, but it isn't a frequent thing or something that distracts him from
> what he's supposed to be doing.   His sniffing is more like breathing
> deeply
>
> in the general direction of something.  He doesn't deviate from the path
> and
>
> he doesn't plant his face smack into the middle of whatever it is he wants
> to smell.  I'm quite content with the current arrangement.   It's working
> for us and I see no need to change it.
>
> Julie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicole Torcolini via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:29 PM
> To: 'Julie J.' ; 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction
>
> Lexia was never a barker anyway, so it is not a problem with which I have
> had to deal. There are some behaviors, such as running around and having
> fun, that I allow out of harness but not in harness. However, there are
> others, such as sniffing and, if it was a problem, barking, that I do not
> allow at all.
>
> Nicole and the quiet Lexia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via
> nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:58 PM
> To: Daryl Marie; NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction
>
> I don't think I'm probably the best person for advice about unwanted
> barking!  LOL  My dogs bark like insane maniacs in the yard.   My
> philosophy
>
> is that they are dogs and dogs bark and they should embrace their dogness
> and bark...in the yard, in daylight hours and stop before my head starts
> pounding or the neighbors start complaining!
>
> It is interesting that when I have Monty out with me in the unfenced
> portion
> of the yard, he doesn't bark, like ever.  The only two places he has ever
> barked are in the house and in the fenced yard, both places where he's
> contained in some way.   Perhaps it's an issue of frustration that he can't
> go check out what he's looking/barking at?   I don't let him go check out
> random things when he's in harness, but maybe he feels like he's freer to
> look at things?  I don't know.  It's interesting to ponder though.
>
> Julie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daryl Marie via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 1:45 PM
> To: Julie J.
> Cc: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction
>
> Julie,
>
> Your Monty sounds a lot like Jenny in behavior.  She has only ever barked 3
> times  in harness:
> 1) When a really drunk REALLY weird guy approached me at a bus stop (I've
> had weird/drunk people approach me before, but this one set her off)
> 2) When someone was tying their shoe in the middle of a sidewalk. She
> couldn't go around him (busy street to  my left, 3-foot snowbank on my
> right)
> 3) When a bartender made prolonged uninterrupted eye contact with her.
>
> Usually, though, out of harness, I am almost always with her when she
> barks.
>
> At home I would be on the computer and she'll just perk up and bark at
> something.  Perhaps the redirection is a good one.
>
> This begs another question.  Sometimes Jenny will bark at neighbors if she
> sees them when we step outside to relieve.  This only happens at home,
> never
> anywhere else.  Any advice?
>
> Daryl and the vocal Jenny
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julie J. via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: Abigail Bolling <violingirl30794 at gmail.com>, NAGDU Mailing List, the
> National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:01:09 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] fear and correction
>
> At home I call Monty to me and praise him for coming.  If him leaving the
> situation and coming to me doesn't seem to enhance his calm I will use
> calming petting or tell him to down and stay until the UPS delivery guy is
> gone or the neighbors are done with their loud conversation in the street
> or
> whatever.  With Monty, it's an alert behavior.  he wants me to know there's
> something going on.  when I acknowledge that, he usually quits.
>
> Admittedly, he's kind of barky at home.  I've just come to accept that he's
> always going to let me know there's something happening outside.
> Interestingly he does not feel the need to bark when we are out and about.
> I'm okay with this arrangement.
>
> Julie
>
>
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