[nagdu] Question about fenced in yards
Darla Rogers
djrogers0628 at gmail.com
Wed Mar 19 03:28:09 UTC 2014
Hi Nicole,
When you have time, that would be great. Somewhere--and I think it
is here in the Kansas City Metro somewhere--people are throwing rat
poisoning over the fence; some dogs have died. Others have been able to be
treated and recover.
Darla & Happy Huck
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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Torcolini
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 10:06 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about fenced in yards
Sorry that I'm late on this, but I still want to put in my two cents. JMHO,
they are not an option as a last resort in any scenario. When you are
talking about teaching a dog a behavior that involves do x and don't do y,
there are several different ways of doing it, including only rewarding for
x, only punishing for y, and a combination of the two. People have differing
opinions on using both rewards and punishment, but most people agree that
using only punishment to train a dog is a bad thing. That is, in essence ,
what is happening with the invisible fence. The dog gets punished for going
over the line. Simply not being punished is not considered a reward. Also, I
don't like the idea that the dog has no warning. The dog is getting zapped
for crossing this invisible line, and the dog has to remember where that
line is, and there are a lot of things--to a dog--that might be considered
more important than remembering an invisible line and cause the dog to
forget. Finally, like all training, it's only training. There's nothing to
say that a dog is not going to decide that getting zapped is not bad enough
to prevent him/her from running off.
If you want, I can tell you more about how I work with areas that are not
fenced in. And, JMHO, fence or no fence, you should still never leave your
dog alone outside for an extended time. You just never know what he/she is
going to do or get into, even if you have the best dog in the world and the
best kept yard on the street.
Nicole
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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Burton
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 4:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about fenced in yards
I don't like them much either. Though my dadses them with his cattle dogs.
He does not keepthe collars on he just has them on to train them and then
takes them off. Though they do work well with those dogs. I am not
experienced with guide dogs yet but I would not encourage their use. They
may be an option as a last resort in certain circumstances but even then I
don't know. Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 13, 2014, at 4:20 AM, Alyssa <alyssahenson95 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes. I don't personally like them I'm just pointing it out as an option.
Even I don't know if it's a good thing or not. I'm sure there's a reason
guide dog schools don't like them.
> Alyssa
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 12, 2014, at 11:24 PM, "Nicole Torcolini"
<ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>
>> And there's probably a good reason why the schools don't like them.
>> Just because people use something with pets and say that it works
>> well does not mean that it is the right thing to do. You're talking
>> about the devices where the dog wears a collar and gets a shock for
>> crossing a certain boundary, right?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alyssa
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:20 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about fenced in yards
>>
>> I know most of the schools don't like this, but there is always one
>> of those invisible dog fences. From what I hear they do require some
>> extra training but they seem to work well with pet dogs.
>> Alyssa
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2014, at 8:14 PM, Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> just beware that if driven, a retriever will definitely jump over a
fence.
>>> It only happened once! Well, twice for the recall.
>>>
>>>> On 3/12/14, Darla Rogers <djrogers0628 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> None of the schools I know about, do a whole lot with off-leash
>>>> recall. The fir4st school I attended did this in a park off a very
>>>> busy street.
>>>> As for my personal opinion, especially if you don't have someone
>>>> around to help bring back your wayward pup, I just wouldn't do it;
>>>> your dog only has one life.
>>>> I was playing with a former guide in my front yard (unfenced)
>>>> because WE DIDND'T HAVE A BACKYARD. i THREW A Frisbee THAT WAS
>>>> SUPPOSED TO GO UP TOWARD THE HOUSE. Well, it didn't; all II could
>>>> think of was to shout "no!" when she began to run toward the
>>>> street to get it. I cried with relief that she stopped when
>>>> requested. No more chances like that for me; I'd have been
>>>> devastated to lose a dog even though I believed I was being careful.
>>>> Darla & Handsome Huck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl
>>>> Marie
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 9:34 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about fenced in yards
>>>>
>>>> Danielle,
>>>>
>>>> Early congratulations!
>>>>
>>>> You can get a long, retractable leash for your pooch, which will
>>>> enable him/her to have the space and freedom to be a dog, but not
>>>> go so far onto the road that s/he gets hit by a car or into the
>>>> pasture where s/he may not hear you and come back.
>>>>
>>>> Jenny's doggie friend at the park has one of these. he can run
>>>> around and play and have a grand old time, but the leash ultimately
>>>> keeps him safe from other dogs, can have the added bonus of making
>>>> him come back, etc.
>>>>
>>>> I wish I had a fenced yard for Jenny, also, but the park is the
>>>> next best thing for her!
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Daryl and the inquisitive Jenny
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Danielle Burton <danielleburton94 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 08:19:10 -0600 (MDT)
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Question about fenced in yards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi, everyone. I have just found out that Guiding Eyes may have
>>>> found a good match for me. I am eriting on the final word from the
>>>> instructor. I do have a question though. When I'm not at school I
>>>> live at
>> home with my parents.
>>>> We
>>>> live on a farm with a garden and pasture for cattle. We live right
>>>> by the road with no sidewalks. Also, we do not have a fenced in yard.
>>>> Should I keep my dog on a long leash while outside? We have 2
>>>> Austrailian Shepherds outside as well. I would like for my dog to
>>>> have some time to be a dog with other dogs we have but I am worried
>>>> about not having a fenced in area. Any advice would be appreciated.
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