[nagdu] On Ownership

[Cindy Ray]

I’m kind of confused about criminal checks leading to financial ones. Maybe it is because I didn’t read Rebecca’s message?

Cindy

On May 2, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca> wrote:

> But then how far would those financial checks go?  Even though Jenny is my responsibility, I am married to someone who historically has had credit problems.  Would a guide dog school checking in to my financial background also breach his confidentiality and deny me the chance to train with a dog because of it?  Does that seem fair?
> 
> Daryl and Jenny (who is a little on edge today)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Fri, 02 May 2014 13:47:33 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] On Ownership
> 
> 	Criminal background checks only "get" people who have found heir way
> into the criminal justice system. Many many people commit crimes and are not
> caught. And, an arrest means absolutely nothing. 
> I wonder if the schools also do finantial background checks as finantial
> stress can make people act in ways they normally wouldn't. Not to say that a
> person under finantial stress would or wouldn't abuse a dog, just that
> criminal background checks aren't the only background checks in town, and
> may not give a full picture. 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
> Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 1:49 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] On Ownership
> 
> Do any of the programs do criminal background checks?  What about the
> references?  Is a reference letter submitted or are these people called and
> asked questions?
> 
> I feel that the programs should use whatever means necessary to assess the
> suitability of a particular person to have a dog and then let them have the
> dog.  If there is some concern that the person won't properly take care of
> the dog, then that person shouldn't get one.  Once the person has the dog, 
> it's too late to prevent abuse or neglect.   Ownership or no ownership isn't
> 
> going to change the condition of the dog.
> 
> The only way that ownership can influence how people act toward their dog is
> if it's used as a threat.  If you don't do what we say, then we'll repossess
> your dog.  the thing with this approach is that it only works on folks who
> would have taken proper care of the dog regardless of the ownership policy. 
> People who do bad things are going to do bad things regardless of the rules.
> 
> An ownership policy isn't going to prevent abuse, any more than domestic 
> abuse laws stop spouses from hitting each other.    People who don't commit 
> abuse don't do it because of a law, they are non abusers because they feel
> it's the right way to act.
> 
> I'd really like to know what the actual reason is for the various schools
> ownership policies.  I've heard obesity, abuse, better follow up, being able
> to place the dog after retirement, better service and all other manner of
> nonsense.  It doesn't make any sense to me.  How does the ownership policy
> affect the school's ability to provide good service?  It smells like an
> excuse to me.
> 
> It would be interesting to see solid statistics comparing things like
> obesity rates, abuse, time between a follow up request and the provision of
> service and overall success rates between programs that retain ownership and
> those that don't.  My hunch is that there is no correlation between
> ownership and these items.  I think the better indicator is the quality of
> the applicant screening process, and the quality of the training at the
> program
> 
> Julie
> 
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