[nagdu] On Ownership

Sat May 3 00:53:01 UTC 2014

I was only suggesting that a criminal background check is not the only check worth doing 

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> On May 2, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I’m kind of confused about criminal checks leading to financial ones. Maybe it is because I didn’t read Rebecca’s message?
> 
> Cindy
> 
>> On May 2, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> But then how far would those financial checks go?  Even though Jenny is my responsibility, I am married to someone who historically has had credit problems.  Would a guide dog school checking in to my financial background also breach his confidentiality and deny me the chance to train with a dog because of it?  Does that seem fair?
>> 
>> Daryl and Jenny (who is a little on edge today)
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Fri, 02 May 2014 13:47:33 -0600 (MDT)
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] On Ownership
>> 
>>    Criminal background checks only "get" people who have found heir way
>> into the criminal justice system. Many many people commit crimes and are not
>> caught. And, an arrest means absolutely nothing. 
>> I wonder if the schools also do finantial background checks as finantial
>> stress can make people act in ways they normally wouldn't. Not to say that a
>> person under finantial stress would or wouldn't abuse a dog, just that
>> criminal background checks aren't the only background checks in town, and
>> may not give a full picture. 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 1:49 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] On Ownership
>> 
>> Do any of the programs do criminal background checks?  What about the
>> references?  Is a reference letter submitted or are these people called and
>> asked questions?
>> 
>> I feel that the programs should use whatever means necessary to assess the
>> suitability of a particular person to have a dog and then let them have the
>> dog.  If there is some concern that the person won't properly take care of
>> the dog, then that person shouldn't get one.  Once the person has the dog, 
>> it's too late to prevent abuse or neglect.   Ownership or no ownership isn't
>> 
>> going to change the condition of the dog.
>> 
>> The only way that ownership can influence how people act toward their dog is
>> if it's used as a threat.  If you don't do what we say, then we'll repossess
>> your dog.  the thing with this approach is that it only works on folks who
>> would have taken proper care of the dog regardless of the ownership policy. 
>> People who do bad things are going to do bad things regardless of the rules.
>> 
>> An ownership policy isn't going to prevent abuse, any more than domestic 
>> abuse laws stop spouses from hitting each other.    People who don't commit 
>> abuse don't do it because of a law, they are non abusers because they feel
>> it's the right way to act.
>> 
>> I'd really like to know what the actual reason is for the various schools
>> ownership policies.  I've heard obesity, abuse, better follow up, being able
>> to place the dog after retirement, better service and all other manner of
>> nonsense.  It doesn't make any sense to me.  How does the ownership policy
>> affect the school's ability to provide good service?  It smells like an
>> excuse to me.
>> 
>> It would be interesting to see solid statistics comparing things like
>> obesity rates, abuse, time between a follow up request and the provision of
>> service and overall success rates between programs that retain ownership and
>> those that don't.  My hunch is that there is no correlation between
>> ownership and these items.  I think the better indicator is the quality of
>> the applicant screening process, and the quality of the training at the
>> program
>> 
>> Julie
>> 
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