[nagdu] Ownership; what about other countries?

[Julie J.]

I know of owner trainers in the UK and New Zealand.  In both cases the law 
requires that a guide dog be qualified.  In practical terms this means 
someone from the guide dog school has to come out and assess the team and 
issue their approval and credentials.  In one case the owner trainer was not 
even able to get the school to come out to look at her and her dog, so she 
continues to work the dog, uncertified.  In the other case the school 
personnel came out, but felt the dog was not up to par.  Last I knew she was 
working with the dog to brush up on the deficient skills identified and was 
going to try again, but I don't know if that happened.  In the meantime, I 
think she still works the dog.

I don't know about any other countries.  You'd just have to look at their 
laws and see what they require.  All the instances of people traveling to 
other countries that I know of  where they require some sort of program 
certification, it hasn't been a problem if the dog comes from an American 
school.  However owner trainers from the U.S. would probably encounter 
difficulties in traveling to these countries.

HTH
Julie


-----Original Message----- 
From: Vivianna
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 5:00 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ownership; what about other countries?

well, i actually was truly interested in the ownership of the guide dogs.  i 
wonder if some folks in the states are the only ones in the world who 
actually hold the ownership of their dogs?
since i am only familiar with the UK being that i have been there 4 times, 
that is the only other country that i have any knowledge about in that area.
and what about owner trained dogs?  i mean, can you owner train your dog in 
any other country and hold the same rights as here in the states?

Vivianna

On May 5, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com> wrote:

> Very interesting Vivianna.
> I was in England on a youth exchange many years ago. I did meet some folks
> with guide dogs, though I didn't know enough about guide dogs to know if
> they were well behaved.
> I did get the impression that these folks, as well as everybody else felt
> that the government had done this really wonderful thing by providing them
> with dogs.
> I'd love to talk more with you about this as one of the critisisms of u.s.
> schools is that they do not train off leash recall like the European
> schools.
> If ou'd like, write me off list.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna
> Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 12:05 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] Ownership; what about other countries?
>
> all this talk of ownership and the policies of different schools has me
> wondering about other countries.
> i know that, in the UK not only do they give you the dog, all its food for
> life, all the vet bills for life, board if you go out of town, and who 
> knows
> what else but, they tell you when to retire the dog and come and take it
> from you when they say it's time to retire the dog.
> i know many many folks there have guide dogs simply because it's a free
> deal.  the ones that i have seen were extremely misbehaved in my opinion.
> jumping on people, barking, running around at the end of the leash.
> i will venture to say that blind folks here in the states, and even in
> canada are leaps and bounds ahead of most of the world in the independence
> department.
> sure, it's nifty to have everything pertaining to the dog and it's care
> given to you for free but, i'd rather pay for everything on my own and 
> make
> my own decisions on how to feed my dog, what vet to take her to, etc.
> i know, i know, yet another contraversial topic.  smiley.
>
> Vivianna
>
>
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