[nagdu] Traveling in Canada WAS Re: Ownership; what about other countries?

Tue May 6 03:30:37 UTC 2014

Thank you Darrel; I was in Vancouver, B.c. where we had a lovely time; never
was I questioned; the citizens of Victoria Nanaimo and three other little
town whose name  escapes ee --a little girl even got off a yacht to offer my
dog water.
	The Canadian border patrol were nicer, as was the Canadian ferry,
but all this was pre-911.
Darla & Happy Huck

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl Marie
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 8:26 PM
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Subject: [nagdu] Traveling in Canada WAS Re: Ownership; what about other
countries?

Hello!
I have traveled from north to eastern Canada, as well as across the border
into the USA.  Never once have I had a problem with Jenny. I've never been
asked for documentation or been given any hassle for having Jenny with me.

WestJet will provide an extra seat on the airplane or provide bulkhead
seating if available.  Air Canada will not.  This is not the only reason I
dislike Air Canada (I find their treatment of visually impaired passengers
to be patronizing at best)... but I have flown with Jenny on both airlines.

Daryl and Jenny
----- Original Message -----
From: Darla Rogers <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
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Sent: Mon, 05 May 2014 19:07:27 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ownership; what about other countries?

Hi Rox'e,

	Thank you; I didn't know if Canadian laws had been standardized or
not with regard to airlines.  I hope people aren't experiencing too many
problems traveling--Canada is a large country from end to end and side to
side--or north to south-east to west.
Darla & Happy Huck

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of The Pawpower Pack
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 7:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ownership; what about other countries?

Lol Tami,
Since I happen to be going on vacation with said Canadian Owner Trainer, we
have had this discussion and she told me that it's a provencial thing, some
provences allow it, some do not. Their air carrier laws are much more
strict. 

 Rox and the kitchen Bitches: 
Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
Pawpower4me at gmail.com
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> On May 5, 2014, at 6:13 PM, Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting... I know a Canadian owner-trainer, but I've never gotten
around to asking her about credentials. She's off on vacation, so I'll have
to remember to see if she has to do anything special with her OT dog.
> 
> There are folks here who think it would perfectly reasonable to have a
training program evaluate and sign off on owner-trained dogs. I shudder at
the thought. The whole concept of a blind person training her own dog goes
against their fundraising spiel. I would not automatically trust a trainer
from such a program to be objective. I'm sure some of them could be, but
others... Well, no thanks. /smile/
> 
> Tami
> 
>> On 05/05/2014 03:37 PM, Julie J. wrote:
>> I know of owner trainers in the UK and New Zealand.  In both cases the
>> law requires that a guide dog be qualified.  In practical terms this
>> means someone from the guide dog school has to come out and assess the
>> team and issue their approval and credentials.  In one case the owner
>> trainer was not even able to get the school to come out to look at her
>> and her dog, so she continues to work the dog, uncertified.  In the
>> other case the school personnel came out, but felt the dog was not up to
>> par.  Last I knew she was working with the dog to brush up on the
>> deficient skills identified and was going to try again, but I don't know
>> if that happened.  In the meantime, I think she still works the dog.
>> 
>> I don't know about any other countries.  You'd just have to look at
>> their laws and see what they require.  All the instances of people
>> traveling to other countries that I know of  where they require some
>> sort of program certification, it hasn't been a problem if the dog comes
>> from an American school.  However owner trainers from the U.S. would
>> probably encounter difficulties in traveling to these countries.
>> 
>> HTH
>> Julie
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Vivianna
>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 5:00 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Ownership; what about other countries?
>> 
>> well, i actually was truly interested in the ownership of the guide
>> dogs.  i wonder if some folks in the states are the only ones in the
>> world who actually hold the ownership of their dogs?
>> since i am only familiar with the UK being that i have been there 4
>> times, that is the only other country that i have any knowledge about in
>> that area.
>> and what about owner trained dogs?  i mean, can you owner train your dog
>> in any other country and hold the same rights as here in the states?
>> 
>> Vivianna
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very interesting Vivianna.
>>> I was in England on a youth exchange many years ago. I did meet some
>>> folks
>>> with guide dogs, though I didn't know enough about guide dogs to know if
>>> they were well behaved.
>>> I did get the impression that these folks, as well as everybody else
felt
>>> that the government had done this really wonderful thing by providing
>>> them
>>> with dogs.
>>> I'd love to talk more with you about this as one of the critisisms of
>>> u.s.
>>> schools is that they do not train off leash recall like the European
>>> schools.
>>> If ou'd like, write me off list.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna
>>> Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 12:05 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Ownership; what about other countries?
>>> 
>>> all this talk of ownership and the policies of different schools has me
>>> wondering about other countries.
>>> i know that, in the UK not only do they give you the dog, all its food
>>> for
>>> life, all the vet bills for life, board if you go out of town, and who
>>> knows
>>> what else but, they tell you when to retire the dog and come and take it
>>> from you when they say it's time to retire the dog.
>>> i know many many folks there have guide dogs simply because it's a free
>>> deal.  the ones that i have seen were extremely misbehaved in my
opinion.
>>> jumping on people, barking, running around at the end of the leash.
>>> i will venture to say that blind folks here in the states, and even in
>>> canada are leaps and bounds ahead of most of the world in the
>>> independence
>>> department.
>>> sure, it's nifty to have everything pertaining to the dog and it's care
>>> given to you for free but, i'd rather pay for everything on my own and
>>> make
>>> my own decisions on how to feed my dog, what vet to take her to, etc.
>>> i know, i know, yet another contraversial topic.  smiley.
>>> 
>>> Vivianna
>>> 
>>> 
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