[nagdu] GDB time-out

Tue May 6 19:17:35 UTC 2014

What happem to no and leave it commands?

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 2:47 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDB time-out

You are more likely to get hurt if your dog is distracted and not paying
attention to where he is taking you.
Time-outs are a part of handling the real world, for both dogs and people.
Distractions and bad days are a part of the real world for both dogs and
people. We need positive, calming ways of dealing with that. The time-out is
one of them.

On 5/6/14, Craig Heaps <craig.heaps at comcast.net> wrote:
> My suggestion would be that if that's your concern, don't use it.  
> I've used
>
> it in lots of busy places, BART stations, streets of Oakland, baseball 
> games
>
> at AT&T Park.  People adjust and move around us.  If you think New 
> Yorkers are incapable of adjusting, then don't risk your safety.
>
> Certainly I've never used it in the middle of an intersection.
>
> Our instructors at GDB gave us a saying, "When in doubt, time out."  
> It was
>
> kind of a reset button.  They told us the dogs were trained to know 
> that when we released the harness handle, something was wrong.  They 
> used it a lot for dog distractions.  If we came on a dog (sometimes 
> placed there by other insturctors for our training), and our dogs were 
> distracted, we would
>
> drop the handle, pull the dog close, and wait for ten seconds or so.  
> We would then "forward".  If the dog were undistracted for ten or 
> fifteen paces, we would "halt" and reward for undistracted behavior.
>
> Craig and Chase
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 11:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDB time-out
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>> How would time out work in busy city like New York on a busy side walk.
>> This
>> may work in theory on class but but would not work in rush hour on a 
>> busy side walk you would be run over. Time out is not going to work 
>> in a city like New York, guide dog nust be able to handle the real 
>> world and you need to move on you just can't stop any old place and 
>> say I need a time out for my guide dog the public is not going to 
>> under stand and you night get hurt.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy 
>> Carcione
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 12:12 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDB time-out
>>
>> Hi Sherry.
>> I think you and I are coming from the same place--longtime dog users, 
>> a bit skeptical of these newfangled ideas, but willing to give them a 
>> try.
>> I think I'll try this time-out thing on my way home today.  I may get 
>> ten people asking me if I'm OK while I stop and become a tree, but 
>> I'll be interested to see how it goes.
>> Thanks for sharing.
>> Tracy
>>> Hi Tracy,
>>>
>>> We also use the time out if the dog gets distracted in the field. To 
>>> my surprise, it really works. I was quite skeptical of the concept 
>>> till I tried it. All my dogs have been pretty easy to manage, and 
>>> I've tried the verbal correcting thing with her, just a simple, no hop
up.
>>> but the time out works better. and pretty much every time, after the 
>>> ten seconds are done and I pick up the harness and say forward, off 
>>> we go. Once the dog moves past whatever distracted it, we generally 
>>> halt and praise and feed, or in the case of my dog, praise and love up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy 
>>> Carcione
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 6:08 AM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nagdu] GDB time-out
>>>
>>> I've been reading Sherry's GDB training journal with great interest.
>>> She mentions something I never heard of before that they call a 
>>> time-out.  If I understand correctly, when the dog, for instance, is 
>>> not heeling properly, the person stops, holds the leash near the 
>>> collar to keep the dog out of mischief, and stonily ignores the dog 
>>> for 10 seconds.  This bums the dog out, and he resolves to do better.
>>> Have I got it right?  Is it used in other places, besides heeling?
>>> Have people found that it works?
>>> I'm thinking I might give it a try, when Ben is feeling sniffy.  He 
>>> likes to keep boogying down the road; stopping and doing nothing 
>>> might be an effective correction. Ben couldn't care less if I ignore 
>>> him, but I could see how it might affect a softer dog.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
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