[nagdu] GDB time-out

Tue May 6 19:59:51 UTC 2014

I could ask the same thing of those who advocate for leash or collar
corrections. Are you in favor of those methods? If you aren't, you
surely use something in place of positive punishment, or leash
corrections. This is where negative punishment comes in to play, when
a simple verbal cue is not enough to get a dog back on track. Take a
breather, then resume. It is not a hassle, and does not involve
evoking or displaying any feelings of frustration or anger.

On 5/6/14, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net> wrote:
> What happem to no and leave it commands?
>
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> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 2:47 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDB time-out
>
> You are more likely to get hurt if your dog is distracted and not paying
> attention to where he is taking you.
> Time-outs are a part of handling the real world, for both dogs and people.
> Distractions and bad days are a part of the real world for both dogs and
> people. We need positive, calming ways of dealing with that. The time-out
> is
> one of them.
>
> On 5/6/14, Craig Heaps <craig.heaps at comcast.net> wrote:
>> My suggestion would be that if that's your concern, don't use it.
>> I've used
>>
>> it in lots of busy places, BART stations, streets of Oakland, baseball
>> games
>>
>> at AT&T Park.  People adjust and move around us.  If you think New
>> Yorkers are incapable of adjusting, then don't risk your safety.
>>
>> Certainly I've never used it in the middle of an intersection.
>>
>> Our instructors at GDB gave us a saying, "When in doubt, time out."
>> It was
>>
>> kind of a reset button.  They told us the dogs were trained to know
>> that when we released the harness handle, something was wrong.  They
>> used it a lot for dog distractions.  If we came on a dog (sometimes
>> placed there by other insturctors for our training), and our dogs were
>> distracted, we would
>>
>> drop the handle, pull the dog close, and wait for ten seconds or so.
>> We would then "forward".  If the dog were undistracted for ten or
>> fifteen paces, we would "halt" and reward for undistracted behavior.
>>
>> Craig and Chase
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 11:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDB time-out
>>
>>
>>> How would time out work in busy city like New York on a busy side walk.
>>> This
>>> may work in theory on class but but would not work in rush hour on a
>>> busy side walk you would be run over. Time out is not going to work
>>> in a city like New York, guide dog nust be able to handle the real
>>> world and you need to move on you just can't stop any old place and
>>> say I need a time out for my guide dog the public is not going to
>>> under stand and you night get hurt.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
>>> Carcione
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 12:12 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDB time-out
>>>
>>> Hi Sherry.
>>> I think you and I are coming from the same place--longtime dog users,
>>> a bit skeptical of these newfangled ideas, but willing to give them a
>>> try.
>>> I think I'll try this time-out thing on my way home today.  I may get
>>> ten people asking me if I'm OK while I stop and become a tree, but
>>> I'll be interested to see how it goes.
>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>> Tracy
>>>> Hi Tracy,
>>>>
>>>> We also use the time out if the dog gets distracted in the field. To
>>>> my surprise, it really works. I was quite skeptical of the concept
>>>> till I tried it. All my dogs have been pretty easy to manage, and
>>>> I've tried the verbal correcting thing with her, just a simple, no hop
> up.
>>>> but the time out works better. and pretty much every time, after the
>>>> ten seconds are done and I pick up the harness and say forward, off
>>>> we go. Once the dog moves past whatever distracted it, we generally
>>>> halt and praise and feed, or in the case of my dog, praise and love up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
>>>> Carcione
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 6:08 AM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] GDB time-out
>>>>
>>>> I've been reading Sherry's GDB training journal with great interest.
>>>> She mentions something I never heard of before that they call a
>>>> time-out.  If I understand correctly, when the dog, for instance, is
>>>> not heeling properly, the person stops, holds the leash near the
>>>> collar to keep the dog out of mischief, and stonily ignores the dog
>>>> for 10 seconds.  This bums the dog out, and he resolves to do better.
>>>> Have I got it right?  Is it used in other places, besides heeling?
>>>> Have people found that it works?
>>>> I'm thinking I might give it a try, when Ben is feeling sniffy.  He
>>>> likes to keep boogying down the road; stopping and doing nothing
>>>> might be an effective correction. Ben couldn't care less if I ignore
>>>> him, but I could see how it might affect a softer dog.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
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