[nagdu] the workplace and new dogs

sheila via nagdu nagdu at nfbnet.org
Sun May 11 14:41:09 UTC 2014


yes, it still happens and it doesn't always depend on whether one uses a 
dog or not. I had had people tell me to get out of their way with a cane.
On 5/11/2014 6:38 AM, Tracy Carcione via nagdu wrote:
> Hi Rebecca.
> I got my first dog in 1980, well before the ADA.  It wasn't a 
> problem.  We did have the same rights we have now; they just didn't 
> have the same name. We had state laws, rather than one overarching 
> federal law.
> Frankly, I haven't seen any difference, so far as dog use goes.  I had 
> rights before the ADA; I have the same rights now.  I had people who 
> thought the law didn't apply to them before the ADA; and, golly gee, 
> those same kinds of people after the ADA.
> When I got my first job(s), I didn't "request an accommodation." I 
> walked into the job interview guided by my dog.  Some interviewers had 
> an issue with my blindness; I don't remember them having an issue with 
> my dog.  It was more like "So sure, you took a train, a bus, and 
> walked halfway across Manhattan to get here, but how could you 
> possibly find the bathroom without someone helping you every time?"  
> Grrrrrr!
> Tracy
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Star Gazer" 
> <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 1:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] the workplace and new dogs
>
>
>> Hi.
>> Darla's post about not bringing her dog to the darkroom job intrigues 
>> me.
>> For those of you who got dogs before ADA, why did you do it? I'm 
>> assuming
>> you didn't have the rights we do now. What made a dog sustainable for 
>> you?
>> I have a good friend who has never used a dog. He calls out the lack of
>> rights as one reason why he didn't want to get one.
>> Very curious to go down memory lane with some of you.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla Rogers
>> Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 5:49 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] the workplace and new dogs
>>
>> Hi Julie,
>>
>> I love this list, as you do get a variety of perspectives usually
>> given in a very polite manner, and I have learned a lot and have 
>> changed my
>> own views from things I learned here.
>> I am glad we have reorganizations like NAGDU who really assist in
>> looking out for our right5s and helping us learn how to assert them.
>> I am most anxious to hear about sweet Jetta, as I don't see messages
>> from Meegan very often, so I haven't heard much about her for awhile, 
>> except
>> what you post.
>> Darla & Happy Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 2:27 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] the workplace and new dogs
>>
>> ROFLOL!  Rebecca this is hilarious!
>>
>> The thing is, I'm not so sure anyone will even notice.  Except Monty 
>> is gray
>> now and it stands out a lot, so maybe they will.  In the first year of
>> taking him to work, I'd get asked fairly often if I had a different dog.
>> Sometimes it was as simple as I had switched to a different harness.  I
>> wouldn't think a different harness would make that much difference, but
>> apparently it is what people notice.
>>
>> Also Monty and Jetta are largish mostly black dogs with docked 
>> tails.  It
>> will be interesting to see how observant people are. Most people 
>> can't tell
>> Monty and Belle apart either.  Very weird.
>>
>> I did mention to one of the secretaries last summer that I had gotten a
>> puppy and would be sending her off to be trained.  However that 
>> secretary
>> has since moved on to new employment.  I have no idea if she 
>> mentioned it to
>> other people, or if others overheard.  I haven't kept it a secret, 
>> but it's
>> not something that comes up either.
>>
>> I was teetering between mentioning it casually in advance or just 
>> showing up
>> with Jetta.  After reading the responses, I think I'm going to just 
>> show up
>> with Jetta and explain as I go.  Those of you who mentioned that it 
>> doesn't
>> make a difference to my job what dog I have with me are absolutely 
>> correct.
>> I hadn't thought of it in that way before though.   Either will 
>> snooze under
>>
>> the desk and it shouldn't make anyone any never mind about which dog I
>> choose to bring on any given day.
>>
>> In the past when I've talked about retirement for Monty, the typical
>> response is serious concern for what will happen to Monty.  I'm not 
>> sure if
>> they think I'm going to dump him off in the country or what? when I 
>> explain
>> that he'll stay home, take long naps on the couch and work sometimes 
>> when
>> he's up to it, the person seems very relieved. So maybe the switching 
>> back
>> and forth won't cause as much confusion as I thought it might.
>>
>> Thanks for all the responses!  It helped me to  feel more confident 
>> about my
>> choices.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Star Gazer
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 11:41 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] the workplace and new dogs
>>
>> I'd have fun with it, bring one dog, then bring the other and when 
>> people
>> ask "Is that a new dog?" I'd get a blank look and say "no".
>>
>> Or I'd say "Monty wasn't happy with how he looked, so this is the 
>> result"
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 6:38 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] the workplace and new dogs
>>
>> personally, i would just show up with a dog.  but, that's just me.  it's
>> none of anybody's concern how my dog is being trained, by whom, or 
>> whatever.
>> but, that's just me.
>> legally, it's a guide dog so, i can have it there with me.
>>
>> Vivianna
>>
>> On May 6, 2014, at 5:17 PM, "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A question for all of you lovely people!
>>>
>>> I think I know how I'm going to handle the situation, but I'm
>>> interested
>> to know how others would or have handled similar situations.
>>>
>>> The current plan is that I will be getting Jetta mid August. Meghan
>>> will
>> be here for a few days, incorporating a weekend, to work with Jetta 
>> and I.
>> My work schedule is flexible, so I could work in my office the 
>> morning and
>> with Jetta in the afternoon or vice versa.  I could also work more hours
>> earlier in the week and spend the necessary weekdays with Meghan and 
>> Jetta.
>> All that to say, I'm not planning on taking any time off of work.
>>>
>>> I currently take Monty to work with me and have for several years.  It
>>> has
>> never been an issue.  However, when I requested/informed my 
>> supervisor that
>> I would be bringing my guide dog to work, it was a different person 
>> than my
>> current supervisor.    My supervisor is a lawyer, if that makes a 
>> difference
>> in regard to legal knowledge.
>>>
>>> Anyhow, I am planning on taking Jetta to work with me and probably
>>> fairly
>> soon, of course depending on how well she adjust to the new 
>> situation.  It
>> will be a big change for her.  she might need a bit to settle
>>
>> in, but I think she'll be fine, if my visit with her is any 
>> indication of
>> how quickly she adapts.
>>>
>>> How would you guys handle the situation in regard to workplace
>> accommodations?  since I have already had a guide dog at work for 
>> some time,
>> would you just show up with the new dog and go on about your business?
>> Would you inform your supervisor that you will be bringing a 
>> different dog?
>> Would you re-request a guide dog as a reasonable accommodation?
>>>
>>> Also do you think it would cause confusion or any problems if I
>>> switched
>> between dogs?  For example working Jetta Monday and Tuesday, Monty on
>> Wednesday and then back to Jetta on Thursday and Friday?  I'm talking 
>> about
>> one dog at a time on alternate days, not two dogs at work.
>>>
>>> Curiously,
>>> Julie
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