[nagdu] First guide dog - was: guide dog school problem

Tracy Carcione via nagdu nagdu at nfbnet.org
Fri May 16 11:41:34 UTC 2014 

Rebecca, really?  I've never had a baby, but my first guide dog slept 
through the night every night, and didn't cry loud and long while I was 
frantically trying to figure out what was wrong.
There were other aspects that were unexpectedly hard to get used to, living 
with another creature 24/7, always taking the other's needs into account. 
Somehow, it was quite different from having a pet. Maybe that's the part you 
think is like a new baby?
Tracy

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From: "Star Gazer via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem


> Add to this that people will expect your dog to be a fully functional 
> guide,
> and you to be a fully functional handler.
> You don't have that dynamic in play when you get a puppy.
> I've said it before, and I'll say it now, having a new baby is easier then
> getting your first guide dog.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:03 AM
> To: Name, Full
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>
> Well said, and very good point.
> To me getting a new guide is like getting a new puppy, you have to take 
> time
> to get to know each other, how each other works and there needs. You need 
> to
> bond, and the dog needs to know that you are one he is to work with, and 
> not
> every other person who comes by. the big thing I believe is that the dog
> needs to know that you are the boss, and not to pay attention to everyone
> else.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Name, Full" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Name, Full" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 7:35:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>
> John,
>
> A couple of things. First, some of the things that you are telling us are
> not making sense and are contradicting each other. What exactly has
> happened, in order, with applications and acceptance?
> Second, if there is a possibility that you might go to get a dog in 
> August,
> you really need to stop and think this over more. Yes, things that cannot 
> be
> avoided happen, and colleges make exceptions, but I feel that this is
> different. You cannot miss four weeks of a class and still pass it, at 
> least
> not with a half way decent grade, unless it's a class where there is only
> one class a week with a really light work load. Even if you can retake the
> class, do you really want to have to? Retaking a class often means paying
> for more time at college--more money that people probably don't want to
> spend. Even if you did somehow work out where you could take that time 
> off,
> it still is not a good idea. You will need time to bond with your dog, and
> college is not the place to do it. Even if you know the campus, there is
> going to be a lot to get used to for the dog. The first few months that 
> you
> are with the dog, it is really important that you and only you handle the
> dog. Students at college don't always respect the "don't pet my dog" 
> rules,
> particularly if they are going through pet withdrawal. Also, if you have
> different classes at different times on different days, the
> feeding/relieving schedule may not be the same every day. If at all
> possible, it's much better to start where you can feed and relieve on a
> consistent schedule. There are many other reasons. In short, JMHO, if you
> somehow work out that you can get a dog in August and then immediately go
> back to college, I think that you will be hurting both your relation with
> your dog and your education--haste makes waste.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of via nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 2:51 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>
> Hi,
> I haven't been excepted to any of the Guide Dog Training schools.
> The forms for the Excelerated mobility training program are being sent to 
> me
> in the mail.
> The application for the program is no longer available on the leader dog
> website.
> I hope to hear from you soon.
> Sincerely,
> John Sanders
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jessiaca Evans via nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 5:41 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>
> Have you been excepted to any of the Geico schools yet? And is the leader
> dog program with the cane? Also, you might again want to talk to an 
> advisor
> and see if he/she can help you!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 14, 2014, at 3:38 PM, Melissa R Green via nagdu
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> that is a good point. I would add that college classes, especially the
>> required ones fill up fast and there is usually a waiting list. I
>> would talk with the guide dog program and see if there are other
>> options. May be going during semester break might be an option. It is
>> very risky for you with college classes and financial aid. Good luck
>> with your decision.
>> Melissa R Green and Pj
>> Clouds come floating into my life, no longer to carry rain or usher
>> storm, but to add color to my sunset sky.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Star Gazer via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 1:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>>
>>
>> You don't want to do it this way. You'll be behind in the class, and
>> you won't learn whatever it is you are taking the class to learn.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of via nagdu
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 3:09 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>>
>> Hi,
>> I don't know.
>> I talked with the college today and they said that it's up to the
>> instructer as to whether or not I get dropped from the class.
>> The only thing I can do now is ask my instructer whether or not if I
>> could still be in class but be put on hold untill I get back from my
>> guide dog training.
>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>> Sincerely,
>> John Sanders
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Star Gazer via nagdu
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 3:04 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>>
>> Is the college's policy to keep students from screwing around? I ask
>> because people do have life events happen that the school just has to
>> deal with.
>> I'd at least go talk to someone in charge and have a conversation.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha via
>> nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:23 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>>
>> Well, there's nothing you can do about your college's policy, so the
>> best you can do is to see whether the guide dog schools can speed up
>> your application process and get you into a class sooner. If not, you
>> might have to wait until winter break or summer to get your dog.
>>
>>> On 5/13/14, sheila via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I'm not sure that you can do anything about school policy as relating
>>> to being dropped from class. One option would be to wait until next
>>> summer to get a dog if you can't get in soon enough to still take
>>> your college classes because you would probably need adjustment time
>>> with your new dog before entering such an environment.
>>>> On 5/13/2014 5:23 PM, via nagdu wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I do apologize if I already had posted this to the list already.
>>>> Please forgive me for reposting but, I just submitted my application
>>>> to Guide Dogs of America and to one of the other Guide Dog Training
>> school.
>>>> From what it sounds like; if I were to get excepted in to one of the
>>>> school's guide dog training programs, I would have to go out to the
>>>> school in August.
>>>> Unfortunetly, that's when I start college classes.
>>>> The college that I'm going to attend classes at has a policy. There
>>>> policy is that if I miss three concecutive days of class, I would
>>>> get dropped from the class.
>>>> And I don't want to do that.
>>>> How should I go about fixing this?
>>>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> John Sanders
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