[nagdu] First guide dog - was: guide dog school problem

Tracy Carcione via nagdu nagdu at nfbnet.org
Sun May 18 14:44:01 UTC 2014 

Hmm, I sent this message days ago, and it finally shows up today?  Having 
read a number of messages on this thread, I now understand Rebecca's point 
of view.
Tracy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tracy Carcione via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 7:41 AM
Subject: [nagdu] First guide dog - was: guide dog school problem


> Rebecca, really?  I've never had a baby, but my first guide dog slept 
> through the night every night, and didn't cry loud and long while I was 
> frantically trying to figure out what was wrong.
> There were other aspects that were unexpectedly hard to get used to, 
> living with another creature 24/7, always taking the other's needs into 
> account. Somehow, it was quite different from having a pet. Maybe that's 
> the part you think is like a new baby?
> Tracy
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Star Gazer via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 3:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>
>
>> Add to this that people will expect your dog to be a fully functional 
>> guide,
>> and you to be a fully functional handler.
>> You don't have that dynamic in play when you get a puppy.
>> I've said it before, and I'll say it now, having a new baby is easier 
>> then
>> getting your first guide dog.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of via nagdu
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:03 AM
>> To: Name, Full
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>>
>> Well said, and very good point.
>> To me getting a new guide is like getting a new puppy, you have to take 
>> time
>> to get to know each other, how each other works and there needs. You need 
>> to
>> bond, and the dog needs to know that you are one he is to work with, and 
>> not
>> every other person who comes by. the big thing I believe is that the dog
>> needs to know that you are the boss, and not to pay attention to everyone
>> else.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Name, Full" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "Name, Full" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 7:35:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>>
>> John,
>>
>> A couple of things. First, some of the things that you are telling us are
>> not making sense and are contradicting each other. What exactly has
>> happened, in order, with applications and acceptance?
>> Second, if there is a possibility that you might go to get a dog in 
>> August,
>> you really need to stop and think this over more. Yes, things that cannot 
>> be
>> avoided happen, and colleges make exceptions, but I feel that this is
>> different. You cannot miss four weeks of a class and still pass it, at 
>> least
>> not with a half way decent grade, unless it's a class where there is only
>> one class a week with a really light work load. Even if you can retake 
>> the
>> class, do you really want to have to? Retaking a class often means paying
>> for more time at college--more money that people probably don't want to
>> spend. Even if you did somehow work out where you could take that time 
>> off,
>> it still is not a good idea. You will need time to bond with your dog, 
>> and
>> college is not the place to do it. Even if you know the campus, there is
>> going to be a lot to get used to for the dog. The first few months that 
>> you
>> are with the dog, it is really important that you and only you handle the
>> dog. Students at college don't always respect the "don't pet my dog" 
>> rules,
>> particularly if they are going through pet withdrawal. Also, if you have
>> different classes at different times on different days, the
>> feeding/relieving schedule may not be the same every day. If at all
>> possible, it's much better to start where you can feed and relieve on a
>> consistent schedule. There are many other reasons. In short, JMHO, if you
>> somehow work out that you can get a dog in August and then immediately go
>> back to college, I think that you will be hurting both your relation with
>> your dog and your education--haste makes waste.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of via nagdu
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 2:51 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>>
>> Hi,
>> I haven't been excepted to any of the Guide Dog Training schools.
>> The forms for the Excelerated mobility training program are being sent to 
>> me
>> in the mail.
>> The application for the program is no longer available on the leader dog
>> website.
>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>> Sincerely,
>> John Sanders
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jessiaca Evans via nagdu
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 5:41 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>>
>> Have you been excepted to any of the Geico schools yet? And is the leader
>> dog program with the cane? Also, you might again want to talk to an 
>> advisor
>> and see if he/she can help you!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 14, 2014, at 3:38 PM, Melissa R Green via nagdu
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> that is a good point. I would add that college classes, especially the
>>> required ones fill up fast and there is usually a waiting list. I
>>> would talk with the guide dog program and see if there are other
>>> options. May be going during semester break might be an option. It is
>>> very risky for you with college classes and financial aid. Good luck
>>> with your decision.
>>> Melissa R Green and Pj
>>> Clouds come floating into my life, no longer to carry rain or usher
>>> storm, but to add color to my sunset sky.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Star Gazer via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 1:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>>>
>>>
>>> You don't want to do it this way. You'll be behind in the class, and
>>> you won't learn whatever it is you are taking the class to learn.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of via nagdu
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 3:09 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I don't know.
>>> I talked with the college today and they said that it's up to the
>>> instructer as to whether or not I get dropped from the class.
>>> The only thing I can do now is ask my instructer whether or not if I
>>> could still be in class but be put on hold untill I get back from my
>>> guide dog training.
>>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> John Sanders
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Star Gazer via nagdu
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 3:04 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>>>
>>> Is the college's policy to keep students from screwing around? I ask
>>> because people do have life events happen that the school just has to
>>> deal with.
>>> I'd at least go talk to someone in charge and have a conversation.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha via
>>> nagdu
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:23 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog school problem
>>>
>>> Well, there's nothing you can do about your college's policy, so the
>>> best you can do is to see whether the guide dog schools can speed up
>>> your application process and get you into a class sooner. If not, you
>>> might have to wait until winter break or summer to get your dog.
>>>
>>>> On 5/13/14, sheila via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> I'm not sure that you can do anything about school policy as relating
>>>> to being dropped from class. One option would be to wait until next
>>>> summer to get a dog if you can't get in soon enough to still take
>>>> your college classes because you would probably need adjustment time
>>>> with your new dog before entering such an environment.
>>>>> On 5/13/2014 5:23 PM, via nagdu wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I do apologize if I already had posted this to the list already.
>>>>> Please forgive me for reposting but, I just submitted my application
>>>>> to Guide Dogs of America and to one of the other Guide Dog Training
>>> school.
>>>>> From what it sounds like; if I were to get excepted in to one of the
>>>>> school's guide dog training programs, I would have to go out to the
>>>>> school in August.
>>>>> Unfortunetly, that's when I start college classes.
>>>>> The college that I'm going to attend classes at has a policy. There
>>>>> policy is that if I miss three concecutive days of class, I would
>>>>> get dropped from the class.
>>>>> And I don't want to do that.
>>>>> How should I go about fixing this?
>>>>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> John Sanders
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