[nagdu] relieving at airports was Denver airport

Michael Hingson via nagdu nagdu at nfbnet.org
Thu May 29 15:54:29 UTC 2014


Hi Kristen,

You might try doing the reverse.  Don't feed him or give him water just
before traveling, but wait until you arrive.  He will be more hungry and
less likely to have an accident. 


Best,


Michael Hingson

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kristen via nagdu
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 05:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] relieving at airports was Denver airport

Michael--

You're right in that most dogs can hold it longer than we think, and
Corvette is still young. I try to get him to eat/drink before leaving for a
trip, so it will last him a while. He tends to go on a hunger/water strike
for a couple days at any new place until he becomes used to his new
environment.
--
Kristen


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Hingson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Wed, 28 May 2014 21:15:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [nagdu] relieving at airports was Denver airport

Even so, you can cut down water in the afternoon/evening before a night
trip.  The dogs do fine with this.


Best,


Michael Hingson

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha 
Dudley via
nagdu
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 08:06 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] relieving at airports was Denver airport

I will be headed to Seatle on Sunday and don't intend to relieve 
Dallas
while I'm in the airports. Once we get to our destination, 
absolutely, but I
cannot stress about finding a relief area before we get on the 
plane or
immediately after we deplane. I was taught a lot at TSE about how 
to prep my
dog for a trip like this. I will, however, be relieving Dallas on 
the way
back because we have a layover in Detroit and will be taking a 
red eye jet
home at 11 Pacific time, so I'll try to keep him as comfortable 
as possible.
Speaking from a physiological perspective, dogs' bodies, and out 
own, in
fact, are obviously more active when awake. So, while it is 
possible for a
dog to hold its bladder for long periods of time, that time is 
shrunken if
the dog is awake, because its body needs more nutrients and its 
kidneys are
more active when awake.
JMT,
Aleeha and Dallas

On 5/28/14, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 I almost never relieve my dogs on a trip. We do much as Michael 
has
stated.

 Cindy

 On May 28, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Michael Hingson via nagdu wrote:

 Hi Kristen and all,

 Go in a regular bathroom?  It does sounds as if someone in 
Denver
 needs some educating.

 It is not the responsibility of anyone else to take your dog 
outside
 to relieve.  One possible option would be to take you outside 
inside
 the security area, but there may or may not be people to do 
this, and
 the kind of area on which your dog is use to relieving may not 
be
 available.

 I think it is appropriate to make one additional observation.  
In my
 experience most guide dog schools discuss preparing to take a 
dog on
 a trip.
 We discuss with instructors how to cut down on water before 
traveling.
 We
 are also told that it might be wise to not give our dogs a meal
 before traveling if the dog is prone to needing to relieve.  All 
this
 is to say that with proper preparation a healthy dog should be 
able
 to go six to eight hours without relieving.

 We can make life more stressful by assuming that our dogs need 
to go
 out at every stop.  By doing this the dogs come to expect the 
trip
 out and we get upset when we can't take our dogs outside to 
relieve.
 I have taken several guide dogs on long trips without any need 
to
 relieve, but I worked to train the dogs to expect this and I 
helped
 by insuring that their bladders and other parts were as empty as
 possible before leaving home or by taking advantage of a 
relieving
 area at the airport before going through Security.

 As one instructor put it to me once, "keep in mind that your 
dogs
 sleep through the night and so they can go long periods of time
 without relieving if you set the stage".  Let me be clear.  Some 
dogs
 may have health issues and do need to relieve more often.  
However,
 the average dog can go for fairly long to very long times 
without the
 need to relieve.  I have taken dogs to New Zealand, Korea, Japan 
and
 the Netherlands without any stop to relieve. I travel across the
 United States several times a month and never look for a relief 
area
 during a lay-over except to know where they are if available in 
case
 of a future emergency.

 You must do your part and you must instill confidence in the dog 
and
 yourself, but it can be done.  I hope my thoughts help.


 Best,


 Michael Hingson

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Kristen
 via nagdu
 Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 02:12 PM
 To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Denver airport

 I did have an issue with that airport about a month ago. We had 
a
 layover there, and they told us that we wouldn't be able to get 
past
 security after taking Corvette outside (they had no inside
 area) and have time to make our flight. They also didn't offer 
to
 take him out for me and said that he should hold it or be able 
to go
 in a regular bathroom. (He did end up holding it for about 6 
hours
 that day.) Maybe you'll have better luck!
 --
 Kristen


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: sheila via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users"
 <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Wed, 28 May 2014 14:34:36 -0600
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Denver airport

 okay that is good. I won't borrow trouble. I've never had 
trouble in
 other airports so I'll assume that I won't and just handle 
things if
 they come up.
 On 5/28/2014 2:06 PM, Sherry Gomes via nagdu wrote:
 I just flew in and out of Denver when I went to and returned 
from
 GDB. I was  never put in any separate sort of room. I had some
 trouble with ground assistance on the return but that was only 
with
 one person.



 -----Original Message-----
 From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
sheila via
 nagdu
 Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 1:45 PM
 To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
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 Subject: [nagdu] denver airport

                   denver airport        has anyone had any
 trouble when
 flying out of the denver airport as far as being put is a 
separate
 room instead of near or at the departing gate?


 --

 sheila leigland


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