[nagdu] crate vs tie-down

[Cindy Ray]

Tracy asked for a tie down, bed chain, whatever, and the one she received is
too short. She has nowhere to tie the dog where it won't get into something
at this time. The crates are large; the dog is crate trained; Tracy is
struggling with a new thing on top of all the other new. At TSE now I am
guessing they use crates, a new thing since I was there six years ago.

Cindy


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer via
nagdu
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:08 PM
To: 'Valerie Gibson'; 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] crate vs tie-down

In defense of Tracey, I get where she's coming from. She's just come home
with a new dog who still has a lot of puppy in him, both guiding wise and
house manners wise. 
She has a husband, a life, and a job, all of which she hasn't seen in
awhile. 
Crates take up more physical space then the tie-downs do. She now needs to
take time and money to purchase something she doesn't want and isn't sure
she needs. She asked for and did not get something from the school, and I
can't remember now if it was crate training practice or tie-down practice.
She's probably feeling a little burned out and discouraged right now.  
Nothing is her fault, at least not at this stage. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Valerie Gibson
via nagdu
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 1:40 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] crate vs tie-down

Hi,

You're a little harsh on crate training, don't you think?

I can see how tie down would be useful, and I can see how crates can be
cumbersome, but crate training is supposed to mimmick the den that a mother
dog would proide to her pups, so it's easy for the dog to understand.  I
don't know of many dogs who tie their pups to trees.

Second, self discipline is taught.  As puppies, dogs ar going to grab things
unless they're told what is and is not acceptable to grab.  There is no
quick fix for this, only consistancy on your part in teaching the dog.

Third, What if your dog is sick and you need to put her somewhere? a crate
is the best place for this.  Or, if there is another dog who is too playful
(and your dog wants to be left alone) a crate works.

That being said, I think both crates and tie downs have their place, and
dogs shoud be taught to accept both.  

I personally don't like dogs coming to my house if theyre not crate trained,
nor woud i take a dog to someones house who was not crate trained.  

I dont mean to sound harsh, but if your dog doesn't accept crate training,
is more the fault of the owner, not the dog.
> On Nov 12, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Tracy Carcione via nagdu 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> I really hate this crate-training only business.  My dogs who grew up 
> with
tie-down, or used it in class, did not grab everything they could reach.
They had some idea of self-discipline.  I am buying a crate, under protest,
because I'm just tired of having to constantly watch Krokus and see if he's
got hold of something he shouldn't.  There's no where in my house I can tie
him down totally out of reach of anything.  This was never a problem before.
I wanted to try tie-down in class, but my trainer always forgot to give me
an extra tie-down, and the one I was issued was too short to actually use.
> So now I have to get a big honking crate, and find a place to put the
stupid thing. I am not happy.
> Tracy
> 
> 
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